650/X-2 carbon x2

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Jamie FN Hickey
Location
Palm Coast FL
Twin can tell you better but I know that WDK makes a bottom deck, Speed Magic had a full carbon Gen2, and possibly others... Im not in the market so I dont know much about it but twinturbostang is a diehard X2 guy and he will give you the best reply
 
twin- I am looking for gen 2

I look at all trinitys but I also wouldn't mind just buying a stock gen 2 also, but I thought since I would be spending the money i might as well go all out on it!
 
You have a few ways of doing it.
George makes a top deck kit. You would need to buy a stock SXR hull or a waterdawg bottom deck
Bullet is making a full Gen2 hull with tubbies molded in and carbon ride plate $4500
and then Trinity makes everything from full glass to carbon
 
Hands down The trinity epic carbon/kevlar is my top pic but its close to 9,000 just for the hull. I really hoping to find a used aftermarket hull. I am in no rush so just going to wait for the right deal at the right time. I mainly want to learn what else is out there for aftermarket x2 hulls.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Why wait until next year? Part out your X2 and buy a used SXR. You can get a complete clean running SXR for about $4000. Rock it out for a season and save some money. Next season after you have saved a few bucks...

Option A... purchase a fixed steer conversion hood from Tom21. You can either keep your parts or sell the pole and hood to make a few bucks back. Lastly, if you decide you want a flat deck or a seat, chop off your gunwhales.

Option B... pruchase a X2 top deck for your SXR and do the conversion.
 
i have not riden one yet. hope too this next summer since i will be going to daytona for a few days and hopfully to san fransico. i am asuming that the gen 2 is night and day differents compared to the gen1.

vumad- i would love to part the 750x2 build out but im in high school so my parents would be very upset if they saw me spend that kind of money all at once buying a new ski. but the master plan is to ride this 750x2 for a year or so then find carbon hull. then i would convert most of it over and hang the old hull from the ceiling in my shop. then over the corse of a few years build up the parts for my dream x2 which i have estimated its going to be in the ball park of a lot of money. my goal is to have this complete by the time i am out of college (5.5 years from now).
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
I was in your shoes. I made 2 mistakes. 1st, I bought a worn 650sx that ended up blowing the motor. I didn't know any better because I didn't know anyone in the sport. I wish I could go back in time, never have bought that 650sx, and put that money towards a clean and reliable SJ. Secondly, after I blew that motor, I got involved in building an X2. I wish I could have just parted out everything and purchased a X2, but I was stubborn and as a result I lost out on a whole lot of riding time. I rode more last month on my Superjet than I did the entire last year on my X2. On the bright side, I have learned a lot about skis but I would trade the time I spent learning about them for some time riding them.

I understand where you are coming from, but take my advice... It's wonderful to dream. You should spend every day persuing your dreams. But don't persue happiness. Happiness is an emotion. The persuit of happiness is a fools endevor. It's only present at the moment. You should put your efforts into being happy, and securing future happiness. In other words, If you are always pursuing your dreams, you are likely not living them. YOu will have each one, at the right time in your life.

That may sound like a bunch of babble, but lets talk reality for a moment...

You're in Highschool. Your income is limited. Your spending is not only limited by your income level but it is also influenced by your parents. Even if you had the income, it's unlikely that you could apply it to what you want. (All of the above based on things you have said, not simply generic assumptions).

Building a ski to save money is a great idea. You have chosen an X2 which is great. You are set on building that X2 and enjoying it, which is great. You hope to one day have a Gen2 X2, which is great. But, think about the implications of the path you are setting for your goals.

Your goal is a Gen2 X2. A Gen2 X2 is a SXR with a fixed steer. You have not ridden one, but hopefully you have riden a SXR. SXRs are awsome, I want one myself. It's not a G1 or anything like it. A Gen 1 is completely different than a 650sx made the same year. Motor position, hull design, etc etc, it's a completely different boat. A Gen2 however is a SXR with a fixed steer and a seat. Literally, the Gen 2 IS a SXR, not buts about it. While it is awesome to think about owning a lightweight X2 with a high performance motor, the likely hood of you obtaining one on a college budget is slim if not none, at least not unless you get an awsome job, a fair amount of debt, a few great gifts, or some combination of the above. And lets not forget, the goal is to have one complete when you finish college. Why not just save the money and buy all the parts at once when your graduate, or shortly after? It's not a Gen 1 X2. You buy all the parts and bolt them together. Look at all the AM hull build threads. $15,000, it better bolt right up.

Trying to obtain such things on a college student budget is foolish. I can say such things because I was there only 2 years ago. Don't buy little pieces of a boat you can't ride until you have all those pieces so you can stare at it every day instead of riding something. I could go on, but I will simply end by saying...

Take my advice. It is good advice. Buy something close to what you want. Enjoy that something, whatever it may be. Don't forget your dream, look forward to it every day. Let it drive you to being better and don't let anything keep you from obtaining it. However, pace yourself. That day will come soon enough. Don't be one of those people who has everything only to look back and see everything you missed.

I had 2 jobs up until last month. I suddenly realized that I spent the last 3 years working to be able to ride jet skis anytime I want, but I almost never rode a jet ski. Pretty silly, eh? Well, now I'm in a better spot, and I quit that second job, bought a SJ and started riding it. However, looking back, I realize that if I had never wasted my time on my X2 project, and put all of the money into it, I was only a few dollars away from buying a low maintence ski and actually riding over the last 3 years.

A Gen 2 X2 IS a SXR. Buy a SXR. Ride the SXR. Be happy with the SXR. Save money, buy conversion hood. Be happy with SXR that is exactly the same as a Gen2 in every way except a seat. Graduate college, make mad bank, buy Gen 2, be happy with sick awsomeness. Most importantly, be happy with all the memories of your time on your college SXR as you tell stories of how you really learned how to do all those sick moves on your Carbon.
 
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Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Oh, one thing I forgot. Don't tell me you can't buy a super clean, ready-to-ride all stock SXR just a few posts after you ask where you can buy a $9000 all Carbon Gen2 hull next year. Do as you please but please just straight forward. You think my advice sucks, tell me it sucks. You think my advice it great, but not the right advice for you, say that. But to say you can't afford $4000 after saying you want to find a used carbon version of the rarest ski in the US... really? Stock Gen2 X2's were $13000 (which were exactly the same as it's $8000 SXR brother). Don't expect to pay less than $2000-4000 for a used stock hull, much less carbon. You will pay a harsh premium for rarity.
 
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Thanks for your advice... It really does make me think a lot. I really appreciate the time you put in to it. I geuss on thing that is a factor in this was my x2. It was kind of like you sj. This summer I went to work every morning around 5am so I could get off at lunch to ski. I went a total of 60 some times this summer in 3.5 months off of school. But everyday My x2 ran the only few days I had a problem with it was right when it was givin to me. Then most of the summer I was buying and selling 550's, getting them running, and making tons of money off them but It made me cherish my x2 so much more because those things would never run, I was all ways working on them. So I know what you mean by that kind of ski your always working on. that was one reason i sold all of those. So this winter I was going to buy another dirt bike but thought about it and decided to stick with my ski since it is truly what makes me happy! That is one reason I went through with this build. But further I get I realize with all this motor work this thing is going to have its not going to be the same as the old 650x2 I might be working on it alot. Honestly I would not be suprised if I buy a sxr this summer. I am not a instinct buyer for the most part so I am always good at waiting for a good deal. I buy and sell stuff like crazy and make decent money from it and I am very mature with my money I always make sure what ever money comes in I divide it in half and I send half of it to my stock acounts and the other half is my living money (gas,skis,parts,lunch). My parents have a hug strain on the money that I spend So that is the nice thing about my build is I can spend a hundred here and there and have a complete ski by the time I am done. I am a very hands on guy with my stuff so this build is teaching me so much. Have made many mistakes on it and I am learning from it. I really am going to take in your advice, Its probably the best advice I have read about skis and life in awhile. REally do appreciate the time you put into it. I am trying to soak as much in as possable. I am sure this summer you will be seeing new pictures of a sxr on here lol. thank you so much again! I have to leave for school but I will try to type you more later.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
You're welcome. I'm glad you're willing to listen, because when I was in your spot and Tom was in mine, I didn't listen to him, my mistake.

I didn't realize you are riding a 650x2 since I have been reading about your 750. Consider finding a second X2 hull and leaving one an all stock, simple reliable 650x2, and having a second, very modified performance ski. That way, if you are ever working on your performance ski, you have a back up.

Don't buy a SXR until you ride one. You may be set on your Gen2 X2 now but you may change your mind later. Ride a Superjet and a SXR. You may prefer the freestyle feel of a Superjet. I really like the SXR but I'm not trading my SJ for it. Tom21 also sells a conversion hood for the SJ (both the SN and the RN). You may end up like me, with a Pole ski and a Fixed steer. The Gen1 and RN Sj is perfect for me (tho I have considered switching to a SXR/SJ combo). Who knows, maybe you will decide on something different. Just don't get the SXR because it's the base of the Gen2. You could do the exact same conversion to the SJ (SN or RN) that you could do to the SXR (except you can't swap the top deck, just the hood).

About the dirt bike... I used to own 2 dirt bikes and a quad. I found I rarely rode the bikes and was always on my quad. It wasn't because one was better than the other, I just prefered my race quad over the bike. Dirt bikes rarely need heavy maintence like a ski and modifications are usually bolt on and quick. I sold my dirt bikes because I found I had wasted capital. The jet skis however, totally worth owning 2.
 
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Yeah my 650 was very modified. It had everything except msd on it. It did have some top end porting too. The ski was given to me by the original owner who did all of the mods the day it came off the show room floor in 1990. So the x2 is pretty clise to me because it was my grandpas friends ski. But I am looking at buying a new jeep rubicon and if I do that I would sell my truck so I won't have a truck bed to haul ski in any more. So If I buy a trailer I will buy another x2 to have for my friends to ride. I just need to find one with a blown motor or with no motor.


There is just something about a x2 I really lik. I rode alot of sj's this summer and just didn't fall in love with them. I got the chance to ride a sxr for a bit and loved the way it handled. But my favorite stand up I have rode so far is a old 550. They just always made me mad because they won't relieble at all except one of them I own would aleays start but if the throttle came close to the water it would electricute your thumb but I held on to that one most of the way through the summer but just sold it to pay for my 750 so I could keep the 650 engine. But I am thinking I want to try a fast fx1 next becase really think I will like it. I might be flying to Orlando this summer for my sister softball tourney. But I'm hoping to find some one to ride with and ride the surf for the first time.
 
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Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
You can buy a hitch hauler instead of a trailer if you are only using one ski. The jeep should be able to handle it. My S-10 blazer was fine.

You could find an old 550 hull. Put the 750 motor in the X2, and convert the 550 hull to a 650 pump and put your 650 motor in it. That would get you through several years until you graduate and would be a fun pair.
 
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