Surfriding The Flat Spin - Tell us how its done!

[zimmy]

Ok, so the flat spin is being done and I have seen a few posts about how it should be done, but not a lot of detail.

Whats the key to a flat spin?
How do you take it from 180 stab to 360? I know an over rotated stab can help someone learn to roll, but obviously the flat spin is a little different. The rotation always tends to slow at 180 degrees.
Do you need to be going for a slide out as you leave the wave or should the lip be used to help bring it around?

Let me know what you know works, body position and technique etc would be great!!

 

[zimmy]

Anyone?

 

[SkiDiggity]

as you come off the wave just be turning and nail the throttle lean forward but don't push down or let the nose drop.. This would be my guess because when i was learning stabs i was too nervous to let the front drop enough and would end up doing a flat 180. hope this somewhat helps

 

[zimmy]

Yeah it helps, I can do the "flat" 180's, buts its the rest of the spin that seems hard to come by!

 

[zimmy]

I did find this video, but the technique seems different to what I have seen other do....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcizqUYGXcU

 

[IS0LD0UT]

There was a good set of pictures in pro rider a few months ago. I recall that it was a 360 rentry. The rider was leadibg the spin with his hips. I think...

 

[550/440]

Just go BIGGER!


I'd like to know too...

 

[227]

I did find this video, but the technique seems different to what I have seen other do....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcizqUYGXcU

Yeah Tanners doing those on a Superjet also not a short hull like a BOB or XFR. Like 550/440 said "just go bigger". If you've already got your 180 down then you just need more air time and consistant body english to complete the spin. The catch is the more air time, the harder the landing. Hope you have strong ankles!

 

[DAG]

First off I cant do them (nor tied) but here are my observations.

The video you posted was a 180, He left the top of the wave at 9-10 o'clock and landed at 2-3 o'clock. Short hulls like bob's would make it 100x easier because the back end slides out faster and has a smaller centrifugal (just check out DK World Finals AM routine lol). If your trying this on a blaster I could see it being tricky as the center of gravity is higher.

On a SJ it looks as if they lean forward putting the pole to their chest shifting there weight forward to allow the back of the ski plane out in the water. Then it looks as if they are keeping their weight centered over the ski as they crank the bars and twisting at the hip/lower back. The key appears to be staying centered over the ski as it rotates (let the ski do the work) v.s. shifting the weight to one side like in a stab/roll

Bigger waves and more air always help (for any aerial trick) but as DJ's world routine shows its not needed. Down trim would probably help :dunno:

 

[Motoxderek]

I thought the vid posted was pretty clean 360, after seeing that I think I might try a few.

It's true he started the trick turning off the wave but what rotation trick isn't started on the wave? no ones calling flips, half flips cuz your pointed straight up before your pump leaves the water. Barrel rolls are almost at 1/4 still on the wave I'd like to see one thats not.

 

[227]

The video you posted was a 180, He left the top of the wave at 9-10 o'clock and landed at 2-3 o'clock.

What? where did you get the "He left the top of the wave at 9-10 o'clock"? I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. As he left the wave on both spins (the wave was at 12) the nose of his ski was around 2-3 oclock and he landed at right about the same position. I've tried them myself and have never done better than a 180 ( left the wave nose at 12 and landed nose at 6) Its hard on the ankles. I've seen plenty of guys do it on short skis but Tanners was on a Superjet.

 

[Matt_E]

The video you posted was a 180:dunno:

I don't think you're watching the same video as everyone else, bruh.

 

[Snivilous]

Don't know if this helps since this guy is on a tiny ass hull, but as I recall (can't watch now, at work), he does a very clean 720, 540, and 360 throughout the vid. Might give ideas?

 

[Tkmww]

It is def not a 180. And it is a heavy superjet at that. They are hard on the ankles if you don't make it all the way around. Airtime is a must. I just put in a new 727 baby scream motor last weekend so they should get even better. Just think about how you do a power 360 on the water...same type of thing but you are leaving the wave and doing the rotation in the air.

 

[Marker Motorsports]

tanner i thought it looked picture perfect!

 

[Tkmww]

tanner i thought it looked picture perfect!

Thanks!

 

[DAG]

I don't think you're watching the same video as everyone else, bruh.

When does the motor rev up aka "left the water" bra'

 

[Matt_E]

1. Some people have throttle control.
2. Sound to video synch is often not accurate in online videos.
3. The nose leaves the water about 6.5 ft before the pump. Are you going to split hairs?

JMHO, but calling those 180's is pedantic and wrong.

 

[DAG]

I guess I'll start calling my 3/4 rolls plat to plate. I least I tried to contribute to the thread before the derail. In no means am I dogging Tanner for his attempt, however, Zimmy said he can 180 them so that's not to far off from that video. GLHF

 

[BruceSki]

1. Some people have throttle control.
2. Sound to video synch is often not accurate in online videos.
3. The nose leaves the water about 6.5 ft before the pump. Are you going to split hairs?

JMHO, but calling those 180's is pedantic and wrong.

Yes Lois, its shallow and pedantic!!!

Somebody has been watching too much family guy