Don 79 TA
Still Fat....
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Tim:
any chance of making the pipe out of carbon fiber and would it be beneficial?
any chance of making the pipe out of carbon fiber and would it be beneficial?
new TNT pipe
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Idok
F1pro
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- Nations oldest muthaF+++kin city
the B pipe DOES make better low end........thats common knowledge..it has been stated by chuckie on more than one occasoion, and by baxter himself...
in fact, on the 1000cc engines the B makes even more bottom end than the PFP, but the PFP makes it smoother and more controllable
stainless WILL make more power......B1 chambers are all stainless (at least the ltd's are)
RiverRat
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- Louisville, Ky
Aluminum? I don't know, I keep asking questions and don't get answers. :wiggle:
So carbon WILL make less power?
Makes sense and that is what I have always read in to them.
Idok
F1pro
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I dont know, sounds about right....
thats what I have always read before as well.....cant say for sure
GIL
Power In The Hands Of Few
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- Cullman AL
Ask the people that have ridden my ski with Crammit's carbon limited chamber in it-it does NOT lose power after initial heat soak like so many think it does! I have spent soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
many hours testing chambers back to back and 'blind testing' chambers
swapping from alum to carbon and can tell no notable difference other than sound w/exhaust is dry and on the trailer. I have had several people ride my ski that should know what signs to look for and they say they feel no change in power!
Long story short-I am NOT sold on the whole carbon makes less power than aluminum theory. From what I have read-the ones that state the carbon loses power have not even tried them. My 2 cents.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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Sorry i missed your question on materials.
To answer some of these myths.
Carbon vs stainless vs alum.
The biggest issue with pipes is temp control!
Carbon will not get hot, won't rev!
When I made the pipe out of alum, it took to long to get hot, alum transfer's heat so fast you can't get a high surface temp,
stainless isolates heat well so you can get high surface temps inside pipe, because there surface temps you can cool it quicker, giving your pipe better tunability and broader power
this is one reason some pipe combos go soft on bottom late in race as the pipe has become heat soaked and to short in tune.
This proble I had with my sled pipe, it became so soft on long pulls it would fade off 2000rpm because it lost all it's tq and couldn't pull the gear.
So pipe I built has a huge lean bog and won't rev over 7,000 until you get pipe hot, then it pulls like mule to 8300. And after long nitrious pull it doesn't fall on it's face when you let off the happy gas button!
To answer some of these myths.
Carbon vs stainless vs alum.
The biggest issue with pipes is temp control!
Carbon will not get hot, won't rev!
When I made the pipe out of alum, it took to long to get hot, alum transfer's heat so fast you can't get a high surface temp,
stainless isolates heat well so you can get high surface temps inside pipe, because there surface temps you can cool it quicker, giving your pipe better tunability and broader power
this is one reason some pipe combos go soft on bottom late in race as the pipe has become heat soaked and to short in tune.
This proble I had with my sled pipe, it became so soft on long pulls it would fade off 2000rpm because it lost all it's tq and couldn't pull the gear.
So pipe I built has a huge lean bog and won't rev over 7,000 until you get pipe hot, then it pulls like mule to 8300. And after long nitrious pull it doesn't fall on it's face when you let off the happy gas button!
Idok
F1pro
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probably why EVERY high end auto exhaust is made of SS...not aluminum
I would like to test one in Va. or Daytona. I have a Waterdawg lightweight SXR hull with Yamaha motor and pump and of course a B pipe. It would be a very quick swap due to my oversize (compared to Superjet) engine compartment. It just comes right out quickly. I would love to see a shiny TNT in there and if it really did hit noticeably harder I would buy it on the spot. Just because it would finish off my only and probably last custom ski.
auto as in cars?
OCD Solutions
Original, Clean and Dependable Solutions
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- Rentz, GA
Depends on who makes them. I have one made by Crammit and one Made by Wamiltons, Crammit's is hands down a much better built chamber. I wouldn't say it's indestructable but I would never use the term fragile either.
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My brother has been wanting to throw that Arctic Cat motor in a standup for years...
Don't you need different cases because of the pull start?
Don't you need different cases because of the pull start?
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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There is electric start kits!
No new cases needed
No new cases needed
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
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Alum melts at aprox 900 deg, most autos see 1400 deg egt's when in stochiometric.
Aluminum melts around 1200F actually, most racers run 1000-1050F egt with aluminum cylinders/manifolds/headpipes.
Idok
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yes they (b1 chambers) are SS...im told they will NOT fit in a SJ
I always just figured they woud as they fit in an X2
I always just figured they woud as they fit in an X2
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