- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
eh kinda.. i was on pwct since like 02 or somthin.. maby earlier.. then i got rid of my SJ about 3 years ago and then inbetween that time and now the site popped up and just signed up to get back into it..
Your opinions on this SJ
- Thread starter Ed3SJ
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eh kinda.. i was on pwct since like 02 or somthin.. maby earlier.. then i got rid of my SJ about 3 years ago and then inbetween that time and now the site popped up and just signed up to get back into it..
- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
what do you mean kahuna.. whats ur oppinion on the ABLE?
monsterSJ
Justin
- Location
- Springfield, Mo and Grand Rapids, MI
exactly my point i dont know enough about the product to say anything negative or possative only one way to find out thoe and you gotta look at it this way you could part this boat out for more than what youd pay for it at 7500 its got the best of everything on it
Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
the ABLE was originally used for the MOD Class race ski's...
Best thing is to talk to Ryan about how the power came on.
Best thing is to talk to Ryan about how the power came on.
- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
he brags about how much power this thing has.. this will be my first stroker engine.. so this is somthing i do not know much about..
Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
It will have more power than anything you were use to....... It is just where the power comes on. It may hit hard right off the bottom or hit more as you get into the midrange.
- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
I gotcha, is a able stroker known for mid range?
Big Kahuna
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- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
I honestly do not know, they are out of business......... like I said, they were used in race motors where bottom end power was not as important as midrange and top end was. That is not to say that it wont make good power. Just get it, if you do not like it, sell the cylinders and get Team Scream, LPW, Jetworks, Judge Motorsports or some other reputable company to build you a stroker motor using a 61x cylinder.
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wydopen
onthepipe
- Location
- Goleta the Goodland
pm enzo he runs the same motor
Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
I could not think who it was running one, RMBCFreeride has one also.
- Location
- Pueblo, CO
It all depends on the porting. Odds are it will have lots of power, but will it come on right off bottom or will it need alot of RPMs to come on?
Best bet would be to see if Ryan knows who did the porting and what was the history of this cylinder. Mine was uncut, brand new so I had it ported for more bottom end power like a 61x on steroids. However, Enzos started life as a race motor - he had it reworked a little, and I rode it and think it was really impressive too - all around power.
I have been eyeing that ski all along & trying to get one of my friends here to buy it... nice!
- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
how much do you all think that engine is worth anyway? if i dont like the power.. can it end up being a even trade for a team scream engine or somthing? let me know
Big Kahuna
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- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
I would just look at dumping the cylinders and head, keep the lower half.....
hard to say what they would be worth, sometimes you see them for 500.00 and others will be 1000.00
hard to say what they would be worth, sometimes you see them for 500.00 and others will be 1000.00
- Location
- SW Florida (Ft Myers)
just curious.. how much would it cost to get a new top end from a company and have it installed? (just weighing out my options before i buy it) i will probably end up just keeping what it has but just wonderin
crammit442
makin' legs
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- here
I wouldn't worry about it at all at this point. A lot of "race" motors make better freestyle/freeride motors than those built as such. Most of the real info and tuning knowledge in this sport comes from guys who have built a million race boats. There is no proving ground or objective way to measure the ability of a freestyle motor like there is for a race boat so those guys are the ones who really know their stuff. It'll probably rip and the powerband can be shifted some if necessary with a good prop/nozzle combo. If an Able cylinder is set up well, it can run as good as any other cylinder.
Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
actually most "Race" motors I have ridden have a really bad dead spot right off the bottom which is not really good for freestyle.
Rule of thumb, you are typically gonna have a motor that does somethings good but not all....
either a lot of bottom or a lot of top. A 57-60 mph SJ is not going to have the power down low like most of us prefer. just like a Freestyle prepped ski is not going to be hitting 57-60mph either.
Yes, you are correct about playing with props and nozzles can adjust the powerband some.
One of the few Race motors that did make good power all the way through was the TLR Motor that Casey had in that black and yellow ski before it blew. but I do not think that he had as high of a top speed with that one either.
Rule of thumb, you are typically gonna have a motor that does somethings good but not all....
either a lot of bottom or a lot of top. A 57-60 mph SJ is not going to have the power down low like most of us prefer. just like a Freestyle prepped ski is not going to be hitting 57-60mph either.
Yes, you are correct about playing with props and nozzles can adjust the powerband some.
One of the few Race motors that did make good power all the way through was the TLR Motor that Casey had in that black and yellow ski before it blew. but I do not think that he had as high of a top speed with that one either.
i saw that ski at the wf and it is very nice.
crammit442
makin' legs
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- here
I think you can have most of the best of both worlds. There's no reason a well setup "freestyle" motor can't run in the mid to upper 50's depending on prop/nozzle combo. That's not really that fast. A well set up motor can easily turn mid 7200-7500 RPM with a B pipe. A good bit of the powerband of a race motor is the pipe. Most dry pipes come on a little later, but will turn more R's. There are also only a few of us who want a freestyle "only" poweband like you get with some of the so-called freestyle motor builders. Most of us aren't ever gonna compete and want a boat that rips throughout the entire powerband. Who wants a boat where you can only jump a boats wake once because you can't catch it again?:burnout: Malone says his current boats run in the mid 60's. I don't doubt it.
Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
uh, well, my ski is kinda like that!!!!!!!!!!! lol
your right about the pipe as well...........
my preference is power right off the bottom with no lag........ but it a bitch to keep up with Jason!!!!!!!!!!! usually take the SXR for runs up the lake!