ATP Ebox / Flame Bad Ground? er what?

[Half flip95]

I've just finished assembling my new boat, but the thing wont start. Push the green button and nada happens.

I bypassed everything and gave direct power to starter, It spun.
I hooked up a spare battery to the small relay wires, It spun.
So I'm thinking bad SS switch (even though its brand new never used from JM), took that guy apart and greased it all up - nada
Disconnected the kill switch circuit and hit the green button - nada
Flip flopped the connectors around and hit the red button - nada
Bypassed start circuit by using an extra wire to connect the red to the brown (from SS switch) - nada

I started poking around in the ebox and found that my ground posts are giving a positive reading
I imagine that the relay / ss switch cannot function if they do not have ground?

What do you think? whats my next step?

 

[Harbor]

I don't know anything about flame. On a stock ebox the ground is in the stator wiring, grounds inside front cover on stator to block then that wire goes into the ebox and provides engine ground to the ebox.
I'd start by trying to determine how your set up is bringing engine ground into your ebox, if you take an ohm reading between ebox and engine case does it confirm the open ground circuit by Showing "OL or infinity" on the meter? Does the flame pickup plate have this ground and it's run into your ebox similar to stock?

 

[Half flip95]

There are 4 wires that come from the stator cover , white, brown , black, black. The white and brown color coordinate with the cdi unit. Im partial to thinking the two blacks are both grounds. one of them runs into the ebox and on to the ground post that is giving me a positive reading. The other black wire has an eyelet on it and is connected to the negative battery terminal.

 

[Half flip95]

thanks for the response
I will run the battery eyelet to the ground post in the ebox.

edit: it fired, muchos gracias

 

[cully37]

I am having the same problem. I bypassed the relay, fired right up. I also have a brand new start stop from JM, and when I hook up the connectors and hit the grenn button, nothing. I checked the connectors and they look new and clean, no corrosion at all. All of the grounds in the ebox are tight and clean. I am at a loss? I can't imagine the problem can be in the brand new start/stop.

 

[cully37]

Here are the connectors...The wires to the left were cut by previous owner. Could the black wire I assume is a ground have anything to do with the problem?

 

[cully37]

Another question I have is there anything wrong with just taking the connectors out all together and connecting them permenantly? The wires are way too long anyways and this way it would eliminate any future problems with connectors.

 

[NVJAY775]

Grab some connectors from Jetmaniac. Solder them on and they work awesome.

http://s776.photobucket.com/user/je...arts/2004-01-01000000-58_zpsa89bb37d.jpg.html

 

[cully37]

Anyone else have any suggestions? Still nothing when I hit the start button. Here is what I have done so far...

Directly touched the brown wire from start switch to the power cable and it turns over perfect so I can rule out having a bad battery ground or battery power cable

Switched over the switch connectors and hit the red stop button, nothing

Disconnected the kill switch, nothing

I jumped wire directly from the connector coming from the start swith to the corresponding brown and red wires in the ebox to rule out a bad connector, nothing

Bypassed the fuse to rule that out , nothing

Can I have a bad electric board? The start stop switch is brand new. I suppose it could be bad but I would have a hard time believing that. I took it apart to make sure nothing came loose and it all seems good. I'm about to throw this ebox across the street

 

[rubbertoe]

What happened with the black wire connection from the atp you were questioning ?

 

[cully37]

There were 4 wires that were cut off from previous owner/owners. A black/green/pink and red. I'm convinced they are obsolete to the setup I need. The ground that comes in from the stator and the ground that come from the kill switch connector both go to the same ground post in the ebox and are clean and tight.

 

[NVJAY775]

I'm kind of clueless right now. Haven't had mine apart, or had any issues with it, other than having bad connections some time ago. Is your starter relay working? The round solenoid in the ebox. Only other things I can think of is maybe the wiring might be hooked up wrong, but sounds like you've been through that a few times. Is the spacing correct between the pickup and the flywheel? Just throwing that out there.

 

[rubbertoe]

There were 4 wires that were cut off from previous owner/owners. A black/green/pink and red. I'm convinced they are obsolete to the setup I need. The ground that comes in from the stator and the ground that come from the kill switch connector both go to the same ground post in the ebox and are clean and tight.

Sounds to me like the previous owner was running the wires that you are convinced you don't need ,and cut them when removed .atp is more than likely a digital ignition where is it getting its power from also what is the trigger to turn the system on ? just trying to help you figure it out . do you have the wiring instructions ? post them

 

[cully37]

Here are the wires coming in to the ebox. The set of 5 are from the stator, and the set of 4 (white and black are kill switch, red and brown are start switch). Both of the black ground wires come in to the ebox and ground to the same post together. The other wires all convert to their like color wires.

 

[cully37]

Relay is good, when disconnect the brown wire from the relay and touch it to the positive battery cable it turns over perfectlyperfectly

 

[cully37]

Excuse my knowledge of electronics but I tried to connect the meter to the red and brown wires coming down from the start stop and nothing. I assume you check those wires when the connectors are plugged in? Electronics are my weak link, as you can tell

 

[cully37]

The 5 wires coming from the stator, 1 black ground, white, brown and 2 green. 1 of the green goes into the ebox and wasn't connected to anything. The other green is connected.

 

[cully37]

Unless I'm doing the meter wrong, everything on the starter side of the relay seems to be dead on the meter, but when I jump the brown wire over to the battery cable it turns over

 

[Magyar68]

here is the Wiring Diagram. Hope it helps. the first Picture of the Start/Stop wires with the Deutsch connectors isn't a splice, thats how they come from the Factory.

 

[rubbertoe]

Lanyard ?