Super Jet Backfires....possible causes

steve-uk

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ok so i have been chasing a backfire for a while since i got my new motor/pipe set up

my set up

Team scream SS 865
Power factor pipe
Dual ATP Carbs on Boyseen intake with triple stage reeds

2.0 needles
130 high 120 low
80g (black springs)
1.25 out on bottoms
0.75 out on tops

ATP Flame total loss

now before the expected "its the flame" starts up, i ran this same ignition on my previous motor and never had a single backfire - previous motor was JM 718, with b-pipe and single ATP carb and V-Force 2 reeds, ATP TL Flame

and to make sure that it wasnt the flame i have a brand new brain in there and have changed the coil for a brand new oem coil, brand new msd plug caps, all grounds are solid,, battery is fully charged

not sure whats causing the backfire

piston wash has been not exsitant until last ride where im starting to get a wash, which would make me think im rich, although reading the plugs they seem ok, a little on the rich side but not huge

backfire can be on first start up or a few in, for example last nigh in the garage i started it up, no backfires, get to the lake and had 5 backfires in a row (lucky the cops didnt think there was a shooting going down), once it backfires it seems then i will get constant backfires, after i have ridden, next start up i will get at least one backfire

im starting to go crazy and think it could be something to do with the motor? maybe the transfer ports on the team scream motor? maybe the powervalves? of which the boots get blown off constantly (i now ride with allen keys so i can put them back on), only reason i say this is it seems that a large percentage of the Team scream motors with atp ignitions seem to have these issues with back fires, maybe its simply a combo that dont work?

so i broke a steering cable yesterday and on my hull that means i have to pull the pipe and the water box, which i normally have covered in turf, just pulled the turf off and the waterbox looks like its swollen so much its ready to burst.. i dont think i can afford another backfire

so do i simply need to lean out my carbs significantly? or is something else is causing this issue?

ive noticed on the last couple of rides when the ski idles the revs incease but not enough to run away, not like an air leak

looking for as much input as possible (positive input please)
 
Sounds like a timing issue to me, are you sure you have the TDC and stator set right?

Might pay you to back off on the advance a few degrees and see if that cures it?

Have you tried an OEM ignition module and stock flywheel to see if the issue still exists?
 

steve-uk

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thanks jim, i would say TDC is as good as it can be, i can re check

would be a pain to swap to a stock set up as i dont have any of the components but not impossible

as i mentioned ran this ignition set up on previous motor with zero backfires which leads me to think its not ignition based

i will check TDC tho
 
thanks jim, i would say TDC is as good as it can be, i can re check

would be a pain to swap to a stock set up as i dont have any of the components but not impossible

as i mentioned ran this ignition set up on previous motor with zero backfires which leads me to think its not ignition based

i will check TDC tho

Check the rear of your flywheel for damage where the woodruff key slot is as well - this will tell you if it's moved..
 
Ok, did you update the curve for your new motor? Perhaps the 865 needs something a bit different?

What do Xscream say is the correct settings for Flame on their motors?
 

steve-uk

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i have a curve that chris set up for an 865 and one from team scream, have tried both (they are very similar)

pulled the flywheel - key is fully engaged stayed on the crank shaft when i pulled the flywheel, no damage on the flywheel

next is to pull the ebox and check the TDC... I wish i had a clear cover on the ebox!
 

steve-uk

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stefan your thinking the needle is maybe staying open?

ive had a secondary problem ive been trying to find which is sometimes when the ski starts its like its running on one cylinder, which i thought was the coild, flame is single channel so i know its not that, changed the coil, that problem went away for 1 or 2 rides but is coming back intermittently
 
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Have seen it ones ski was akting wierd was running right then akting up, if the needel some time gets stuck it will put fuel in the cylinder and that can cause a backfire.
 

steve-uk

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pulled the carbs, needles seem just fine

but.... oddly... the oring under the carb plate looks like it has stretched so much it wont fit now.... im starting to wish i just stayed living with the backfire
 

steve-uk

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well checked timing was maybe 2 degrees out have no got it spot on

have changed the spring to a 115g checked pop off and its now around 25psi, hopefully this will help with any potential fuel bleed that was going on, also down jetted the low to a 117.5

have to replace steering cable before i can put the rest of the ski back together

will fire her up tomorrow and see whats what!
 

steve-uk

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ok well little update

re checked tdc and timing was out by maybe 2 deg, its now bang on

changed pop off to 25psi and down jetted

backfire is still there and now it runs like crap

changed the battery last night, seems to run better on the trailer, but still had couple backfires so going to water test later

after that i have a hair brain plan to try... which ill post results after ive tried it, only other thing to do after that is swap out carbs to ellimiate that as a potential cause
 
I had a backfire issue with almost the same set up - I have now fitted on / off taps in the fuel lines to stop any seepage past needles due to fuel expansion when transporting ski (im running quite low pop offs)

I know we have spoken about this Steve, just putting it out there for others who may have this issue
 
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