Before You Throw Away That Dead AGM Battery That Won'T Charge

Here's the deal:

"The trouble isn't really with the battery or even, necessarily, the charger. Here's the real problem: Once the battery's voltage falls below a certain level, the charger can no longer sense the battery's presence and will refuse to deliver the current. In some cases this can occur at any point below 10.5 volts. Older and more basic chargers are more prone to this hang-up than newer, fancier models, which are equipped with control circuitry to deal with these issues. So there are two solutions available: Buy a new, expensive charger equipped with the extra brainpower, or employ a simple trick the Optima engineers laid on us.

Here's all you need to do: Grab another (car) battery with a decent charge on it (12.4 volts or better) and connect it in parallel to the problem battery using a set of jumper cables. Then activate the charger and charge the battery normally, being careful to follow the manufacturer's instructions for current and voltage limits. It's as simple as that. The second battery supplies the voltage that tricks the charger into supplying the necessary current. After an hour or so, you can remove the second battery and continue charging. We tried it and it works. No matter how deep the discharge we applied, we were able to bring the battery back to a full state of charge using our cheap but trusty bulk charger."

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https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1009-how-to-charge-a-agm-battery/
 
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West MI
Just be aware that what you're doing is taking the energy from the fully charged battery and dumping into the low battery at whatever rate the sourcing battery can supply to the receiving battery. I.e., the intrinsic resistance of the batteries is the only thing that limits the current flow. So, if the sourcing battery can supply hundreds of amps, and the combo of resistances between the two batteries (consider the cables to be 0) is very very low, that voltage difference (12.4 - 4.3, for example) dividing by a resistance in the milliohm range leads to huge current flow from the good to the bad battery. Does it technically work? Totally. Is it wise? I'm skeptical on that. Chargers are often single digit amp sources, and this would sort of create a ~hundred amp charger out of the good battery... at least for a short period of time, until that battery voltage drops to be closer to the receiving battery (basically getting rid of the potential difference between the two). The charger, then, charges the two up in parallel to the same voltage (it inherently cannot be different when they are in parallel).

TLDR: When you see huge sparks, that's generally bad, and you'll see huge sparks doing this.
 
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West MI
It's not different, other than a battery that won't run a starter might be like 11V, not 4 V, and jetski batteries can't source what a car battery can source. I've jumped a ski, an ATV, all kinds of things from a car battery, but once the two batteries are connected, the higher charged battery is dumping current into the weaker one, so no one really leaves it set up like that for very long. Use small enough gauge wire, and it'll heat up and melt. Use jumper cables and you won't notice. It's just a warning, is all... making that connecting for a matter of like 10 seconds is different than for an hour, per the article.

The sparks would only be when making the connection, so like between the cable and the battery terminal. Same thing happens with cars... if you're going to jump a dead battery in a car, when you first connect the two, you see sparks pretty often. And it's not that sparks are always bad, it just means there's suddenly a whole lot of current flowing. Sometimes you want the spark, ... e.g. improvised welding with a stack of batteries.

Regardless, I was just saying I'd be wary of connecting the two for an hour and having that combo connected to a charger. If you're going to scrap the low battery if you don't do something, then you have no loss there, but the sourcing battery is the only one to be conscious of. The "sparks" thing was just the only catchy TLDR summary I could think of.

Edit: Really, my whole thing here is just expanding on the warning text from the article: "Then activate the charger and charge the battery normally, being careful to follow the manufacturer's instructions for current and voltage limits."
 
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Quinc

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California
I have done this as well, but by this point the battery isn't going to last long so better to replace it sooner then later.
 

bored&stroked

Urban redneck
Location
AZ
lol. Everyone with "smart" chargers that sense a battery. F all that. My charger is either plugged in and on, or unplugged and off. It just puts out power regardless of what its hooked to. Fancy crap is junk just like "smart" phones.
 
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West MI
lol. Everyone with "smart" chargers that sense a battery. F all that. My charger is either plugged in and on, or unplugged and off. It just puts out power regardless of what its hooked to. Fancy crap is junk just like "smart" phones.

Yeah, they should really be called "portals into the collective knowledge and wisdom of all mankind over all history, !!With added phone capability!!" ... but then add "which most people waste watching cat videos". Just for free: I'm becoming convinced that John Nolte is wise on the level of Yoda. As an example: https://www.breitbart.com/entertain...s-our-spiritual-desolation-not-our-anxieties/

TOTAL threadjack... returning now to your regularly scheduled battery tricks.
 
The summary in post 1 is wrong. If a battery is low it could be from a low charge or a bad cell, if a cell is bad no amount of charging of any kind will bring it back. Also if the plates are sulfated enough nothing will bring it back.

Secondly it’s the smart chargers that might not charge too low of a battery, not old chargers. The old ones will just keep dumping in current no matter what the battery is at or if a good battery is connected between the low battery.

You will reach a point in a batteries life that the lead and acid are depleted and no internet tricks or myths will bring them back, batteries are a consumable item, they simply wear out a leaving them discharged long enough will accelerate this.


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Stockton
The take away for me is, “charging may not be occuring” when using certain chargers due to low senses voltage in the battery.

How many times have we put a dead or low battery on the charger for the night or the weekend only to find it didn’t take the charge and assume it was the battery.
 

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
I have a lawn mower battery that I have left the key on and killed it, charge back up........... then at times, It will be just dead. Took it back, they were able to deep charge it........... Got back, worked great for a while, then went out and it was dead again......... Tried by big charger, all computerized.............. said it was charge, installed, dead........ stuck good old 1.5 battery tender type charger on it............... Brought it back......... sometimes, just need a low amp charger to slowly bring them up............
 
I have learned a good bit about batteries in the Navy, so I’ll chime in. There a lot of good points above. Yes, paralleling the batteries will raise the lower voltage. Yes, this can help the electronic chargers see it better. Yes, this a very large current draw on the good battery. This is actually what’s happening when jump starting, but the running engine doesn’t care because it has a charging system going. The goal then is not to raise the voltage of the low battery, but supply the needed starting current directly through the cables. If the low battery is significantly discharged or bigger, charging current is high enough to limit the starting current drawn, which is why you then have to let it sit a minute to let the voltage come up some so less current gets directed to charging.

The goal with the OP’s idea is not to supply this current, but just raise voltage seen by the charger. This can be achieved one of two ways. First, parallel the batteries long enough to charge it some, then disconnect them and fire up the charger. Keep in mind that the terminal voltage on any battery will be higher right after charging then settle somewhere lower after 30 min to 12 hrs, depending and different factors, so start charging quickly for best results.

The other option is to have your charger ready, parallel the batteries, then immediately power up the charger. Once the charger is going, disconnect the batteries and see if the charger stays ‘fooled.’

The first option will help raise voltage more so the charger will accept it better once disconnected. Might be the better option if the battery is ‘more dead.’ This does cause more uncontrolled charging current, which isn’t great for the battery. They like controlled currents at lower rates. Even chargers that use higher desulfating currents are nowhere near what passes through jumper cables. While not going to kill a battery, it wouldn’t be my first option. (If you could insert a large resistor in the circuit that would withstand and limit the higher currents to maybe 40-50A, that would be best.)

The second option seems better. The main reason is that it will limit excess charging currents. If done right, it would be less than when jumping a car. The downside is that some chargers may stop charging after disconnecting if they see the battery voltage drop too much, especially if it’s larger or deeply drained.

I guess another option is to just put it in a ski (mower, car, etc) and jump it like someone mentioned. Once running, the charging system will do the work and charge it up. As long as the battery isn’t a complete 0V open circuit, it will act as the needed energy sink the charging system needs. If the battery is really low and you don’t want to run the engine that long, just run it enough to bring voltage up some and then hook up the charger.

Someone mentioned sparking. This is typically not a problem. It is true though that there is a small chance of explosion, which is why you connect to the dead ground last when jumping a car and not the negative terminal. Proceed with caution, consider safety glasses. If you have a large jumper, like a clamp and short heavy cable from old jumper cables or a welder (or just a large thick clamp), then that would greatly reduce that risk by moving the spark away from the battery.

You should only parallel batteries for a short period in any case, especially if the good battery isn’t significantly bigger. The hour or whatever originally mentioned is too long I think. Yes, the charger can charge them both together, but car batteries aren’t designed to have any sort of deep discharge. Deep cycle batteries aren’t designed to discharge at high currents. In either case, you are stressing your battery in a way that will affect its longevity. Charging in parallel isn’t the best either, as they will try and charge at different rates, even if the same size and age, due to individual differences. That’s why multi-bank chargers are designed as they are. (Yes, boats, RVs, etc have multiple batteries charging together, but there isn’t a great alternative for installed battery banks. If they could be charged individually, it would be better.) This is even more important when it’s different size batteries, or different types (wet, AGM), as they have different terminal voltages and REALLY need to be charged at different voltages. (AGM does not like standard charging voltage!) The point of this part is don’t try to equalize and then charge them both together. Connect them just long enough to achieve your goal of charging the one. Might want to top off the other one after too. In any case, the dead battery’s life has been affected and you will have to address it down the road, though maybe not for a while.

I think the best idea mentioned was to use a simpler charger that can be manually adjusted and doesn’t have all the electronic interlocks. Set it to charge at a steady 1.5-3A and wait for the battery to charge enough to hold a voltage that the smart charger will accept. Then swap to that and let it finish. It will charge it at the right rates to maximize battery health. If there does happen to be a shorted cell or another issue, it should find it and tell you.

Speaking of desulfating, I recommend getting a charger that will do this. It’s the electrical version of shaking the crap out of the battery. The sulfates that have built up will be driven off the plates to some extent. This will restore some capacity in a well used battery, but never to 100% because of some sulfates that remain and the material loss that occurs during sulfates building up and falling off.

I know this was long, but hopefully it was helpful. Thanks to the others for bringing up good ideas. Shout out if you think of something else. I know we all hate losing cash and water time due to dying batteries!
 
I’ve tried to revive a lot of batteries, I usually use a dc power supply so I can control the voltage and amperage profile. What I have found is if the smart charger didn’t recognize it in the first place, it’s usually shot, or shot in a couple more cycles. Maybe 1 in 10 batteries I revive live to see any useful service life. To be fair though my sampling includes mostly 10 or more year old effed up batteries.
 
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