Choosing the best MOTOR!!

[IceMan]

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a new ski as I have been out of the sport for a couple of years now. A lot has changed and evolved since then.

After doing my research I have already decided on the hull but not the motor.

While the hull needs around 8 weeks to be ready I was hoping you guys can help me chose the right motor.

( I ride flat water only )

Here are my options:

1. TPE 964 or 1105
2. XS1000
3. PHP 898
4. PHP 1015 (edit)

I'm looking for power , response and reliability while running pump gas with 98 octane .

Parts along with the motor:

1. MSD total loss
2. Novi 48mm or TI 50mm with boyesen manifold
3. RRP wet pipe
4. 155mm magnum pump

Engines owned in the past

1. EME1200cc
2. DASA 1200cc
3. XS1000
4. XS865

Thank you




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[jetpilot36]

cant go wrong with any of those setups. I had the xs1000 and it was power on tap anytime. I'm looking to get the TPE 1105 next. only downfall is it takes at least 60 days to build. because of the cylinder coating.

 

[DAG]

Of the 3 listed PHP is the only one that recommends novis. I suck at tuning so I'd pick the builder that would supply the best tuning advice.

 

[IceMan]

Tuning won't be an issue, I personally find the full spectrums very sensitive and a headache . Thank you all for the replies I see many riders choosing to go with a PHP even tho it's a 4mil only but from the vids the motor hits hard. The TPE is another monster from what I have seen as well. What I need to know is what kind of power are we getting from those motors? I don't have the privilege to test ride any motor before purchasing.

For example a professional builder told me that the TPE964's power is equivalent to an 8mil DASA motor with the same setup and pump combo.

The TPE 1105 is said to be too much power to handle.

I know this is a hard topic but from the riders that tested and tried these motors what made you decide on the motor you currently own? Besides the money factor




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[DAG]

I wanted the 1105 tpe motor and demo it at Daytona and it was to much power for me so I went with the 964. Wish I went the 1105 route bc 964 is a big step down from my personal experience. It's easy to tune down a motor it's much harder to get 100% out of one. Give erik a call, he's easy to do business with

 

[IceMan]

I wanted the 1105 tpe motor and demo it at Daytona and it was to much power for me so I went with the 964. Wish I went the 1105 route bc 964 is a big step down from my personal experience. It's easy to tune down a motor it's much harder to get 100% out of one. Give erik a call, he's easy to do business with

Dag, thanks for your reply, I want riders feedback before talking to engine builders. You said a good point now I scratched the TPE964 of my list.


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[SpaceCowboy]

@IceMan I think there is a motor choice that you should consider. PHP1015 is Zack's new motor and let me tell you it hits like a train! What you have listed is a great recipe for some hard hitting all around power. I would just do the PFP with the PHP setup as it performs better that way. Michigan is starting to get flooded with PHP machines due to the power that can be had for the dollar. Talking to Zack on the phone gets me even more excited about riding. His passion out does his "this is a business" and is just a pleasure to work with. I had a 898 last year and this year stepped up to a 1015. Good luck on your motor search and Zack can be reached at www.phpski.com or 920-889-7125.


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[IceMan]

@IceMan I think there is a motor choice that you should consider. PHP1015 is Zack's new motor and let me tell you it hits like a train! What you have listed is a great recipe for some hard hitting all around power. I would just do the PFP with the PHP setup as it performs better that way. Michigan is starting to get flooded with PHP machines due to the power that can be had for the dollar. Talking to Zack on the phone gets me even more excited about riding. His passion out does his "this is a business" and is just a pleasure to work with. I had a 898 last year and this year stepped up to a 1015. Good luck on your motor search and Zack can be reached at www.phpski.com or 920-889-7125.


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Thank you, I have a few questions please .

The PHP 1015cc is still a 4mil or a 10mil?

How does it compare to the TPE1105cc or the XS1000cc?

I want to run the motor purely on pump gas 98 octane.

The XS1000 on pump gas didn't have the response of the race gas and I was disappointed. Thanks again


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[Ehlett]

I would definately agree with @SpaceCowboy, I really don't think you can beat the bang for your buck of the php 898. Yes a 4mm, but that only makes this motor more reliable, and when properly setup they are beasts; the 4mm does not hurt in anyway. Zack is a great guy, and a rider as well. He is always looking for improvements and can get you dialed right from the start. From jetting to pipe and pump/prop tuning. Lots of PHP motors are coming around me as well, they are fantastic.

 

[IceMan]

Guys I'm sorry, I did not realize that the comparison might create problems between riders and engine builders.

I just want to know which engine will suite me the most.

Comparing motors is difficult I understand as you might ride a ski with a perfectly dialed in X motor then ride another ski with a so so tuned Y motor.

However; I want an engine that runs on pump gas and delivers optimum power.

I cannot disclose what hull I'm using but it's a 50lbs carbon short hull.

PS: if anyone wishes to send a PM with their opinion please feel free to do so not to offend the engine builders or fellow riders.


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[Lumpy]

I cannot disclose what hull I'm using but it's a 50lbs carbon short hull.



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what's the big secret?

 

[Big Kahuna]

Dag, thanks for your reply, I want riders feedback before talking to engine builders. You said a good point now I scratched the TPE964 of my list.


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Ice, I am trying to figure out what was posted to make you scratch any motor off your list. Not enough info.

 

[IceMan]

Ice, I am trying to figure out what was posted to make you scratch any motor off your list. Not enough info.

The reason the TPE964 is not on my list because it's a stock stroke, coming off an EME1200cc I think I would be sacrificing a lot of power.

The TPE1105cc is still on my list with high recommendations from fellow riders.

This discussion is not about what or who is the best engine builder or who gives the best service as that is irrelevant to me living 10, 000miles away, however this motor comparison thread is to find out which motor delivers power and reliability.

I have had so much headaches in the past with high end motors and would like to avoid that by finding a suitable powerful motor that delivers and keeps me in the water rather than sitting in my garage figuring out what to do next.




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[IceMan]

what's the big secret?

Believe it or not, I had to purchase the hull I wanted from a 3rd party as the original hull builder might refuse to sell me the hull.

I am what you call a "Destroyer" and NO, not like Jason Stoyer ;-) but I break things easy and many companies with big names in the past refuse to sell me their products again after buying and testing their parts/engines or hulls. I always hear the same sentence "that never happened before" or "this is the first time we encounter such a problem" after that I know I'm on my own.

One of the main reasons why I took a long break, and stopped riding for a while is the fact that no one wants to deal with a headache 10,000miles away.

Hence; this thread was created and I'm trying to find out which motor is most reliable and powerful before the purchase.






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[DAG]

The nice thing about the tpe cylinders are you can squeeks a piston and you would never know it. Most of the time they dont need machine bores or hones, they just need new pistons and rings swapped it. That may be an advantage to consider

 

[DAG]

Ice, I am trying to figure out what was posted to make you scratch any motor off your list. Not enough info.

What more info would you like to see? I'll gladly provide any details you think I left out?

 

[mike b]

About the wanted to go with a engine builder that carb tuning and specs are on hand. Erik at TPE and his team knows his stuff. You have the 964 with nice reliable low maintained power. Or the 1105 which is what I'm looking at to scare the piss out of me. Or if you want a little bit of both you have a tame monster with their 1035 4 mil stroker

 

[SpaceCowboy]

About the wanted to go with a engine builder that carb tuning and specs are on hand. Erik at TPE and his team knows his stuff. You have the 964 with nice reliable low maintained power. Or the 1105 which is what I'm looking at to scare the piss out of me. Or if you want a little bit of both you have a tame monster with their 1035 4 mil stroker

I think you mean 5 mil stroke

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[mike b]

I think you mean 5 mil stroke

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Hood catch. I thought it was a php 4 mil stroke crank. Either way that's right in the middle for the OP if he needs a 3 option. I think setup properly the 964 would be amazing and always has potential for more

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Hood catch. I thought it was a php 4 mil stroke crank. Either way that's right in the middle for the OP if he needs a 3 option. I think setup properly the 964 would be amazing and always has potential for more

Pretty sure the TPE900 C.O. is the 4 mil option.


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