Freestyle Flatwater-cut rear -whatever and rocker?

[GIL]

I am really torn right now as to what to do. My dealer is opening another dealership which means more work and more money for me and therefore I can afford a aftermarket hull finally.

Concern-my 50 year old neighbor lady has a carbon/visual carbon hull that is literally lady ridden and has never been thrashed yet it is coming apart like the qaulity of a Stunt hull.
lol This has me scared to death to invest big money in a aftermarket hull. Her hull was built by one of the old timers in the business that has built and sold a ton of hulls over the years and should dam sure know what he is doing.

Idea-I rode SJBrit's hull 3 weeks ago and loved it! He shortened a oem hull -2. I am thinking about doing the same other than I want to radius the rear edge instead of having sharp 90 degree angle transferring from the bottom to the back edge.

Thoughts? Pros/Cons? The idea is to speed up the rotation starting a flip and reduce the drag before the tail of the ski leaves the water ie: angle the rear like the frt of a hull and remove the rear edge of the bumper that hangs down at 90 degrees.

 

[McDog]

Let me get this straight. Are you calling Crammit a 50 year old woman?

 

[D-Roc]

i have to cut the back of my shortend hull to get my rideplate inserts out and thought about doing this. my hull drains and rear of hull is beat and in need of some attention this winter. i want to give the outer edge of my hull some curve as it goes the the back of the ski instead of straight. blend it in over 2 feet. not sure if that makes sence to anyone else. i do know to do it somewhat proper i would need to open up the tray and don't feel like doing that. maybe i will let you go first.

 

[GIL]

Let me get this straight. Are you calling Crammit a 50 year old woman?

No-the XFT still looks brand new. lol I am talking about the OTHER carbon hull.

Crammit's has only seen water 3 times this year? For a few minutes at a time? That dam thing will be like new long after I am dead and gone. lol

 

[Waternut]

"Coming apart like the quality of a stunt hull" is a pretty poor analogy since my hull has been solid as a rock since day one. No offense taken just nit picking with you...

Why would you even consider buying a visual carbon hull? If you're seriously considering an aftermarket hull, I'd recommend the stunt....:lmao:!! In all seriousness though, I've been extremely impressed with the way the Superfreak ski's ride and the way they're made. If I had the money for a nice hull, there is no question in my mind that the superfreak would be the one I got. I don't really like the footholds on them but everything else is awesome.

As for just chopping the back of your ski... Do it! I cut my old SN -3" and loved it. I did the 90° chop though and doing that puts a lot of stress on the area. It might not be a big deal if you run expanding foam but I didn't broke the glass that I used to seal that area up.

 

[GIL]

i have to cut the back of my shortend hull to get my rideplate inserts out and thought about doing this. my hull drains and rear of hull is beat and in need of some attention this winter. i want to give the outer edge of my hull some curve as it goes the the back of the ski instead of straight. blend it in over 2 feet. not sure if that makes sence to anyone else. i do know to do it somewhat proper i would need to open up the tray and don't feel like doing that. maybe i will let you go first.

I had thought about letting the exterior of the pump tunnel maintain the shoebox shape so that there is still a flat vertical wall for turning and to hopefully keep the azz from sliding too much in turns and making the outer 3-4" of the hull follow the lines of the rear half of a 08 style tubbie all the way back. Here is the tricky part-what to do for rear exhaust and my one way drain because there will no longer be a flat rear surface for either. I will be installing X3's at the same time so doing side rear exhaust would be easy-OR-ditch rear and do dual frt exhaust! (save weight and space) Then the only concern is what to do for a drain. I currently use one of those ball drains that screws in the back of the hull like a drain plug would and I absolutely love it. (since I added screen to keep zip ties from holding it open)lol

long story short-reduce as much drag as possible when attempting to flip it.

 

[GIL]

"Coming apart like the quality of a stunt hull" is a pretty poor analogy since my hull has been solid as a rock since day one. No offense taken just nit picking with you...

Why would you even consider buying a visual carbon hull? If you're seriously considering an aftermarket hull, I'd recommend the stunt....:lmao:!! In all seriousness though, I've been extremely impressed with the way the Superfreak ski's ride and the way they're made. If I had the money for a nice hull, there is no question in my mind that the superfreak would be the one I got. I don't really like the footholds on them but everything else is awesome.

As for just chopping the back of your ski... Do it! I cut my old SN -3" and loved it. I did the 90° chop though and doing that puts a lot of stress on the area. It might not be a big deal if you run expanding foam but I didn't broke the glass that I used to seal that area up.

I really like the idea of buying from Berky since he is on the right coast and here in the states. If I won the lottery I would buy a XFT and not worry one bit, but I don't have that kind of money. My concern with chopping up my hull is the fact that it really is perfect right now and not F'ed with at all and therefore actually has some value and the simple fact that it will still weigh approx 125lbs.

I feel like a girl on prom night-do it or don't??? LMAO

 

[2010brandingo]

i did a slant cut -3 on a rn and love it! still handles great across ruff water and turns even better now. much easier to swing the a$$end around. just slant cut the exhaust tube and re-welded it to match the angle. has both side and rear exhaust.

 

[GIL]

i did a slant cut -3 on a rn and love it! still handles great across ruff water and turns even better now. muView attachment 138066ch easier to swing the a$$ end around. just slant cut the exhaust pipe and re welded it to match the angle. has both side and rear exhaust.View attachment 138065

There would probaly be alot less drag if you also ditched the vertical portion of the rear bumper. Looks like you did a great job!!!

 

[Matt_E]

If you can't afford the aftermarket hull, cut the stocker shorter in the back. Best handling improvement ever.

 

[2010brandingo]

There would probaly be alot less drag if you also ditched the vertical portion of the rear bumper. Looks like you did a great job!!!

thanx, and yes i did that before i matted it. should have done it before i painted it but didnt think about it.

 

[Waternut]

I agree. Riding a stock length hull is extremely difficult for me to control after riding a hull that was cut in the back. It makes getting back to setup wake a cakewalk by comparison. I didn't do the fancy welding on the exhaust pipe. I just cut the flange off and ran it about 1/2" out of the back and sealed it was 5200. The best part of doing it the easy way was I no longer had exhaust goop on my hull anymore.

 

[D-Roc]

here was how i cut my hull, it doesn't quite look like this any more as i need to fix it up after 3 seasons, my scupper is in the pump area. i would like to curve the outer edge up about an inch over the 2' of the back of the hull. as far as aftermarket hull, i love my superjet still and haven't tryed to many aftermarket so if i was to buy one, it would have to be one that won a world championship. ride what what the winners ride. everything else is hype. lol

 

[D-Roc]

Gil just do it, even if you do it as crappy as i did, it will last 3 season before you need to seal and tighten things up again. you can get your stock hull lighter than that, which is mainly the reason i don't feel the need for an aftermarket hull. Mine isn't shot yet, it handles very tight and steers faster than you can think and is lighter than some friends aftermarket hulls. doesn't make sense for me to buy aftermarket when i love how my works. OEM hull quality is great too, everything always fits.

 

[Jr Freestyle]

Buy a Rickter

 

[Aircraftsalz]

Buy a Superfreak, even if you can't go full Carbon Tem's new hull in glass is still in the mid 70's (Hell thats lighter than most guys full carbon ski's) & saves you some money.

There's a lot to be said about the Rocker in these new hulls... With Tem's new hull the ski can be completly underwater & you can still go for the second BF...

Make it to Daytona this year & test a few hulls... I think Brian will have a XFS together & there will be a few SF's... Some of us are talking about riding the lake one day before Daytona (Sat/Sun) freeride. The Canada guys wanna try some of these hulls also

 

[SJBrit]

Here's the back end of my ski: I kept the OEM profiles so I could slide the OEM exhaust right back in there. I also left the pump cavity alone so I didn't have to modify the rideplate. I still have the molds for the inserts if you want to borrow them.

 

[GIL]

Gil just do it, even if you do it as crappy as i did, it will last 3 season before you need to seal and tighten things up again. you can get your stock hull lighter than that, which is mainly the reason i don't feel the need for an aftermarket hull. Mine isn't shot yet, it handles very tight and steers faster than you can think and is lighter than some friends aftermarket hulls. doesn't make sense for me to buy aftermarket when i love how my works. OEM hull quality is great too, everything always fits.

Thats the part that drives me nuts, my hull is a 98 and it has been through many barrell crashes and I am not easy on it at all yet the thing does not have a single stress crack anywhere with NO reinforcement anywhere!!! And then there is my neighbors 1 season old carbon hull that has not seen one ounce of abuse that is cracked all to hell and back and cracked all the way thru near the pole bracket area. I am certain her carbon hull can be fixed for alot of money, but then it will no longer be a lightweight hull !!! At this point and time the only options I can forsee is A-buy Idok's Rickter hull and pole setup for 6500.00, B- buy a Superfreak, C- put my hull under the knife.

The cool part is if I were to trash my hull, Brian and Wamilton always seem to have brand new oem hulls laying around for about 2k and I do like the handling improvements on the 08+ style hulls.

I think I could mod mine for less than 500.00 counting the glass, epoxy, paint, turf, foam, etc. and probaly much cheaper if I rattle can the bottom half again.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Since you have all this money burning a hole in your pocket, load up the ski bring it down drop it off and I will can make it happen, its kinda slow here and I could use the business.

 

[GIL]

Here's the back end of my ski: I kept the OEM profiles so I could slide the OEM exhaust right back in there. I also left the pump cavity alone so I didn't have to modify the rideplate. I still have the molds for the inserts if you want to borrow them.

Adrian, I hate you. LOL You are the reason I want to mod my hull now!!! I wish all of you could see Adrian's hull in person now that it is finished, it looks as if it came from the factory that way! He did the cleanest job I have ever seen!!!