Hi Comp JS440 w/ Copper Head Gasket, do I need O-Rings?

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I am building a high compression ported JS440 motor out of a spare I had laying around. Aiming for .040" quench height with a copper head gasket. Do I need to run O-rings? Both the head and cylinders will be freshly machined surfaces.
 

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Ok install it then but you can't check for squish without installing it and then it would have to be quenched before reusing it.
 
Won't rapid cooling harden the Copper Gasket?

Thought it needed to be slowly air-cooled so that it becomes Ductile (softer) for a better seal? That's what Annealing is supposed to be: heat then slow cooling...

If making a knife blade, a rapid quench/cooling would be needed to make the Steel harden.

It will keel...

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Copper is different than steel. It's not the heat that hardens it, the deformation hardens it. Heating and cooling anneals it, you can let it dry slowly or quench it either way it will be annealed if you heat it up then cool it off.

I have a vintage sled that uses a copper head gasket, I use permatex aviation number 3 sealant on it, per Graham Bell's book. I suspect the stuff is outdated and there is probably something else out there that is better for sealing, but it is readily available, and it has never given me any trouble. It doesn't harden, it stays sticky, so it is relatively easy to get the head off and clean the old goo off of it, much easier cleanup than say yamabond as an example. So I still use it. My motor is air cooled and gets really hot, not really a concern with a watercraft motor, but anyway that is my experience for what it's worth.
 
The Annealing Temperature varies among Metals, but the Annealing Process is similar.

Most Metals harden, just like Copper does but at different stress levels, when deformed or cold-worked.

"A similar process can be followed to anneal steel, brass, and aluminum, but the difference lies in their annealing temperature."

Any way, if all that is required for the Jetski Copper Gasket to become reusable is to heat to Annealing Temp and then rapid Quench, then so be it.

Air-cooling the Copper Gasket will make it more ductile (softer) than rapid cooling in Water. May be a distinction without a difference in this case.

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I don't argue with all the technical jargon , yeah , yeah I know some of you get off on that, no problem, I just do what works for me based on what I was taught from professionals with years of experience in the business.
 

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I took a metallurgy class in college and I learned something here also! Ive never used a copper head gasket in my life on anything, but I do sell them and I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.. haha.

I started on a 88' 650SX I bought in 1990, so the 440 was before my time. But I did have a friend back then that had a 440 mod with everything you could imagine. It did consistent 55mph runs on the radar gun.
 
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