Bought my girlfriend a mint condition ( less than 10 original hours ) 2007 superjet and i can't figure out how to turn the damn thing. I would like to keep it from sliding around like my 550SX does and get it to actually turn when i lay it over. I know it will never be as effortless as my SXR but i would like to improve it as much as possible. I already know i need a more aggressive ride plate and an intake grate to reduce the horrible amount of cavitation but are there any more simple upgrades to improve handling? Thanks in advance
How do i make my SJ turn like my SXR?
- Thread starter kawi kid
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- seattle area, Wa
hull extentions rideplate intake grate sponsons shorter pole add some lead and practice. it will turn just fine
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
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- gold coast
Buy an 08 plus model and it will out handle an sxr
Not so sure about that one, but I rode a pre-2008 with extended plate, Worx intake and tubbies, turn in felt similar to an SXR. A RN is not going to track through chop like your SXR, it's not designed to, nor does it weigh enough.
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waxhead
wannabe backflipper
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- gold coast
do you want it to break through the chop better or do you want it to out turn an sxr. A 2008 will out turn a sxr anytime
Ive rode a couple 08+ SJ's and i didn't find the handling very similar to a SXR. Much better than the pre 08's but not quite a SXR. Ive thought about sponsons, ill try that after the ride plate and intake grate. Its my girlfriends ski so i don't ride it too much, just want to make it a little easier for her
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- seattle area, Wa
08+ will definitely carve like an SXR, no doubt. sponsons are more than necessary on the 96-07, not quite as needed on the 08+ but still beneficial...they should be the first thing you do in addition to the plate and grate
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
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- gold coast
All good, i used to race one and found they turned inside a sxr. sponsons help alot on them for crossing wake also hull extensions as suggested before
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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Imagine a line following the drive shaft and the ski spinning around that line. Front sponsons stop the roll, improving straight line stability by reducing the roll. They let the water push the side of the ski up so you don't fall into the corner and you can carve harder. I have destroyers $400.
Imagine a line going from top to bottom through the middle of the ski. The ski spins around it like the arm on the compass. Rear sponsons take that sway out of the back end. They improve straight line stability by removing the sway. They also keep the back from sliding out in the corners. I made my own from fiberglass, but you could also cut it out of plexiglass, aluminum, cutting board (like in your kitchen), etc. $15-120. You can also try some of the different ride plates that have channels in them, I have not.
Imagine the ski sitting on a parking hump that goes side to side under the dash. Longer ride plate or hull extensions will take out the porpose. I have a works dominator. Used $100. Works okay straight but no real improvement in the corners. I did try a jet dynamics which seemed better but I didn't get to ride it much.
You are cavitating badly because the stock aluminum prop is a bulky piece of crap. Intake will not help, the stock prop blades are 1/4" thick. It sucks. Replace it.
Don't let my explanations of roll, sway and porpose offend you if you already know what they are. If rather not assume.
In closing, just buy your wife an sxr. I bought one for my wife and she loves it. She can ride my Superjet just fine and did for years before we just got her sxr. The Superjet is great for getting air but she is not going to do any of that. Her sxr is like a Cadillac compared to my Superjet. Unless you wife is seriously racing competitively and wants that hole shot or plans to go aerial, don't try to turn her Superjet into a sxr. Just get the sxr.
Imagine a line going from top to bottom through the middle of the ski. The ski spins around it like the arm on the compass. Rear sponsons take that sway out of the back end. They improve straight line stability by removing the sway. They also keep the back from sliding out in the corners. I made my own from fiberglass, but you could also cut it out of plexiglass, aluminum, cutting board (like in your kitchen), etc. $15-120. You can also try some of the different ride plates that have channels in them, I have not.
Imagine the ski sitting on a parking hump that goes side to side under the dash. Longer ride plate or hull extensions will take out the porpose. I have a works dominator. Used $100. Works okay straight but no real improvement in the corners. I did try a jet dynamics which seemed better but I didn't get to ride it much.
You are cavitating badly because the stock aluminum prop is a bulky piece of crap. Intake will not help, the stock prop blades are 1/4" thick. It sucks. Replace it.
Don't let my explanations of roll, sway and porpose offend you if you already know what they are. If rather not assume.
In closing, just buy your wife an sxr. I bought one for my wife and she loves it. She can ride my Superjet just fine and did for years before we just got her sxr. The Superjet is great for getting air but she is not going to do any of that. Her sxr is like a Cadillac compared to my Superjet. Unless you wife is seriously racing competitively and wants that hole shot or plans to go aerial, don't try to turn her Superjet into a sxr. Just get the sxr.
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Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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- St. Pete, FL
Oh, btw, my wife is 5'4". She didn't mind stock pole with 0* bars. She disliked the -3 I did and even more disliked it when I put the -1 umi plate on it. She kind of got used to it but it was too short for her comfort. Probably would be okay if she surf rode but she doesn't. Her new sxr came with a x-metal pole no adjustments and she's not thrilled but I'm sure she'll get used to it.
As witnessed by ski class racing worldwide, right? ^
Vumad is probably right, just set up that RN for yourself and give her your SXR.
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- seattle area, Wa
down at havasu the lites class is dominated by 08+ superjets, the Norwegian team runs them and they take top spots almost every year. now, any other class, its mostly sxr's and hydros, but for lites racing, the 08+ is VERY competetive
Big Kahuna
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For an 08 to handle like and SXR you have to ride it very aggressive. You have to slam it into turns. It wants to be ridden aggressively.
Now as far as the SJ goes. a Worx Intake and a R&D Rius Race Plate is a very good combo. The Worx Dominator race plate slams the nose down to much. You do not want to try and ride it like you do your SXR. You have to ride it like a SJ. It is more flat turning. As you come to a bouy or a turn, let the ski turn under you. turn the bars, lower the pole some, let your hips slide to the inside of the turn. But stay centered over the tray. The SJ's carve really well when you learn to ride it this way. The difference is the SXR just turns easier, less body input. The Worx Pump Stuffer grate also makes turning easier, it sucks the ski to the water.
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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- St. Pete, FL
Exactly. The biggest racing advantage of a SXR over a superjet is rider fatigue. Superjet can be faster for waaaay more effort. I haven't met a women yet that loves our sport enough to make that trade off. And really, is the guy on the superjet that can beat the SXRs faster than himself on a SXR?
Big Kahuna
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Depending on conditions. I have raced in some nasty surf chop where I wished I was on a superjet because the SJ can be tossed around easier.
With the SXR in the waves, you are along for the ride.
With the SXR in the waves, you are along for the ride.
- Location
- Gilbert, AZ
Sounds like the ski has other issues too. Stock intake and plate won't cause "horrible cavitation". Check your impeller.
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- La Crosse, WI on the BIG River
I ride a 2011 SXR. I rode 2014 SuperJet with Zero bars about a month ago, and it was awesome except for the tray being so skinny! I was laying it down within a few minutes and was railing on it without too much slid. I really liked it, and thought it held corners without sliding out in the rear.
So besides Tubbies on yours, keep it stock and maybe widen that tray!
So besides Tubbies on yours, keep it stock and maybe widen that tray!
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- Washington
the 08+ will carve a lot better, but a ride plate and intake grate will help