Other Let's go over it again boys ( full disclosure when selling )

[sportfish258]

This is a huge pet peeve ......

For this discussion the who, what ,when ,where and why is not important . What is important is that "WE" represent our sale items accurately .

We can all see a picture of an item for sale . If it's dirty we can see .... it's dirty . If it's scratched.... we can see it's scratched . What we can't see are threads that are non functional that need to be drilled and helicoiled . We can't see bearings that spin rough or have excessive amounts of lash . There many other things " WE " can't see in a picture.


Some of you are wondering ...... How can this be corrected ...... I have a brilliant solution ..... Are you ready..... I mean really really ready for the solution to "OUR" problem .


I'll break it down concisely .




Definition of : SiMPLY

1
a : without ambiguity : clearly
b : without embellishment : plainly
c : directly, candidly





Definition of : OFFER


1. To present for acceptance or rejection
2.
a. To put forward for consideration; propose
b. To present in order to meet a need or satisfy a requirement to facilitate the decision-making process.
3.
a. To make available; afford
b. To present for sale.
c. To provide; furnish



Definition of : FULL

1
a: containing as much or as many as is possible or normal
2
a : complete especially in detail
b : lacking restraint, check, or qualification
c : having all distinguishing characteristics
d : not lacking in any essential
e : being at the highest or greatest degree



Definition of : DISCLOSURE


1.
the act or an instance of disclosing; exposure; revelation.
2.
that which is disclosed; a revelation.





Put it all together and it reads " simply offer full disclosure " . So... if you have an item for sale tell EVERYTHING you KNOW about the item . Maybe inspect it for proper operation etc. . I'm sure some things are missed by the individual selling , but in most cases it's just plan inconsiderate / immoral behavior . Keep "OUR " board Honest .

Rant over ! You may now return to your regularly scheduled broadcast .

 

[OCD Solutions]

Sorry Kevin, sounds like this hasn't been a good year for you so far. If it makes you feel any better, mine has been a beyotch too.

 

[McDog]

I'm not telling.

 

[NVJAY775]

Good post. 90% of my dealings this year have been good up until 19 days ago. Yep... Still waiting. And... You guessed it. Still waiting.

Bummed for ya. Sounds like some poor quality parts. And honesty.

Hang tough bro!

 

[Waternut]

I will point out that it's very hard to sell things when you disclose ALL of the details. People automatically assume things are worse than they look. I used to try and sell parts and would take pictures of every little scratch, nick, and paint imperfection. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE was interested. Ignore the things that you think people won't care about and it sells in minutes. The mentality seems to be... "well if he's telling us that much is wrong with it, I'm scared to know what he isn't telling us". I agree if something is functionally wrong, that needs to be disclosed (no ifs, ands, or buts) but you have to be really careful with cosmetic stuff. It's a screwed up system...

 

[jetpilot36]

theres definately a fine line.if in doubt buy bran new.also i guess on this site,reputation of seller has a lot to do with determining the integrity of a part when sight is unseen.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I guess this will teach you to buy condoms from reliable sources from now on Kevin

 

[B3IS]

When I am buying something from members or peeps on the X I ususally want to talk to them on the phone first. This way it also gives me a chance to get a feel for a guy and why he is selling whatever it is I want to buy. Everybody does things differantly, for me this works.

 

[OldSkoot]

I will point out that it's very hard to sell things when you disclose ALL of the details. People automatically assume things are worse than they look. I used to try and sell parts and would take pictures of every little scratch, nick, and paint imperfection. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE was interested. Ignore the things that you think people won't care about and it sells in minutes. The mentality seems to be... "well if he's telling us that much is wrong with it, I'm scared to know what he isn't telling us". I agree if something is functionally wrong, that needs to be disclosed (no ifs, ands, or buts) but you have to be really careful with cosmetic stuff. It's a screwed up system...

I have to agree with this here!! it's not just selling here on the X either.... i have found this to be true no matter where you sell online. It sucks when you try to be totally honest and show any and all issues (mech. or cosmetic). the sad part is..... ppl shy away when you show/describe all/any flaws and they end up buying some junk that in reality was in worse shape than the piece you were selling. For me i have found that while i may post "cosmetically minor scratches/wear" once i take pics it seems ppl think it's a beat up POS part i'm trying to pawn off. Sure if there is an abnormal gouge/scratch i would feel very inclined to take pictures of it, but as far as average, no.

 

[GIL]

Bates, you need to spill the beans so we are all aware.

 

[sportfish258]

Gil It's handled every thing was worked out in short order. The seller responded with a solid counter and refunded a portion of the sale price . I truly believe it's a case of "not knowing" ...... sorry no one gets thrown under the bus on this one . This is more of a post to remind Us that we are a small community and to be aware of how we represent our used items to each other .... let's keep the post a public service announcement and not a human sacrifice.

Money is tight for most of us so the used market is attractive. Most of us are fully capable of making repairs and correcting any imperfections , thats fine as long as it's understood additional work will be needed when purchasing .

Just saying ... keep it clean boys we depend on each other .