Freestyle Limited class of Freestyle in competition

[raytherace]

I was just reading the new edition of the Pro Rider Magazine and there is an interview with Rick Roy, and he is talking about why there is no limited class of freestyle, like 800cc max, to let people compete with a limited budget. As for now Amateur class is under 900cc and to get a boat with a SS 865 or 900 with power factor and all the goodies to be in the game cost around 20-30k minimum. Maybe it will help to grow the sport and help the family to get the kids involve in this sport and not having to spent 30k to make the kid ride and compete. What do you guys think about that ???

Thanks, Remi

 

[SuperJoel]

Yeah idk i really want to get into amateur but price is an issue. Tricks would be harder to do with a smaller motor for the limit. Maybe ill get in on a sn with a 701 and just have fun!

 

[raytherace]

Yeah idk i really want to get into amateur but price is an issue. Tricks would be harder to do with a smaller motor for the limit. Maybe ill get in on a sn with a 701 and just have fun!

its sure that the tricks will be more basic, but why not !!! It Cant be more boring than runabout racing..loll

 

[SuperJoel]

Yeah i like the old school tricks, it should be mandatory to include at least on in your routine haha

 

[stefan]

The limit is 900 right ??? soo you dont need 900 cc, i remember jack sutton competin on a 701 BOB 2 years ago.

 

[SuperJoel]

i need a sponsor!

 

[special fx]

I bet they would end up being more fun/interesting to watch than the big HP/$$ guys. How many BFs can you watch!

 

[raytherace]

The limit is 900 right ??? soo you dont need 900 cc, i remember jack sutton competin on a 701 BOB 2 years ago.

Yeah its true that you dont need a 900cc to compete, but to be in the game you need a 900cc. If not, it will be hard to finish in the top 3 with limited 701cc when people ride Dasa 10mil with 148mm mag pump, total loss system etc.... If the rule is max 800cc with stock electric for example, people will have all the same power or so, and the people who does not have 30k to invest in a ski can win too.

 

[Tmart]

I do think their needs to be limits bigtime. If you really break it down, the amateur guys do pretty much the exact same stuff as the pros, but just don't have as much hangtime simply b/c of the smaller motors. I would love to see a 701 or big bore win a flatwater competition. I get really tired of flip after flip after flip, and I can't even do them!!! I think it'd be a great idea

 

[ChrisFiore15]

And actually enforce the rules too..
superflips are not am class tricks...

 

[stefan]

Yeah its true that you dont need a 900cc to compete, but to be in the game you need a 900cc. If not, it will be hard to finish in the top 3 with limited 701cc when people ride Dasa 10mil with 148mm mag pump, total loss system etc.... If the rule is max 800cc with stock electric for example, people will have all the same power or so, and the people who does not have 30k to invest in a ski can win too.

I hear you an agrea ther need too bee a smaller class, but you can always compet you may not win thow.

 

[raytherace]

And actually enforce the rules too..
superflips are not am class tricks...

To be honest with you Chris, if someone can do a superflip with a 900cc, its ok for me. If he can do it with a 701cc, why not !! The limit its the engine and the ski, not the skill of the rider.

Are you talking about a class AM 900cc and PRO 900cc separately ??

 

[Aircraftsalz]

The problem is even if you make a 800cc class or limit the hull, etc... Theres going to be the guys that push that ski to the max due to having the funds to build it and your back to having a high dollar limited ski... Will be the same deal , just maybe guys getting into it will be closer...

 

[raytherace]

The problem is even if you make a 800cc class or limit the hull, etc... Theres going to be the guys that push that ski to the max due to having the funds to build it and your back to having a high dollar limited ski... Will be the same deal , just maybe guys getting into it will be closer...

If the class autorized only oem cylinder, crank and piston, how can you put high dollar(30k) on that ? IMO if someone can invest 30k in a ski, he will go in a different class than limited.

 

[yamaslut]

have a limited 701 compulsory class....

only things you can modify are:
prop
pump
intake grate
port
reinforce
shorten pole or aftermarket

an example:

you have to complete 1 nose stab (or variation of stab) you get x amount of points for the stab and then an additional x amount for taking a hand off, or a foot.

That way you can score things properly and judges will have something to go by.

possible tricks in the compulsory event that you would have to complete in a 2 min run:

1 nose stab
1 type of hood riding
1 monkey jump
1 barrel roll/inverted sub
1 360 power sub

stuff like that...it would give young kids the chance to perform in front of a crowd before going pro and will make them more a seasoned performer. Kids 12-13 could do these trick in a matter of months and the cost to a parent in no mare than a used limited SJ. (2k-5k). This will open up the sport to a ton of families. Think of what a PW80/100 and all the gear costs... that is where we need to be w/ this sport to get kids and parents interested

and before you say... that would be boring to watch... So is watching kids run a track a 15mph on pw50, but they need to be able to start somewhere. I think that's why a lot of pro's choke under pressure in this sport, not enough time in the spotlight. MX kids are doing interviews and at age 12 and are not scared about the crowd cause they are seasoned..

 

[FL-cracker]

Good guidlines would be

OEM Hull, A/M hood and handle pole/steering allowed
OEM Pump, A/M prop, intake grate, and rideplate allowed, trim sytem allowed
OEM 61x or 62T cylinder, porting allowed, pipe of choice allowed
Stock electronics with MSD allowed

Tech would be easy and a competive ski would be pretty cheap too build.

 

[ChrisFiore15]

To be honest with you Chris, if someone can do a superflip with a 900cc, its ok for me. If he can do it with a 701cc, why not !! The limit its the engine and the ski, not the skill of the rider.

Are you talking about a class AM 900cc and PRO 900cc separately ??

Right, and i believe that is what the problem is. Its a MOTOR limit. It shouldnt be called Amateur if people are PRO level riders just on smaller motors....
Amateur should be those who are newer to the sport, and learning and etc... not someone that can throw a superflip.

 

[DAG]

to be in the game[/B] cost around 20-30k /QUOTE]

That's the problem. A ski shouldn't cost more than a nice car. New technology cost, expectantly when the market is as small as we are. A bunch of hulls just hit the market the past few years as well as a bunch of big motors. I predicted a 900cc AM comp ski should hopefully be in the $15k range within 5years.

The question is how much should a comp ski cost? Even 10k for a kid to compete is not going to happen.

 

[ChrisFiore15]

It would be like Villipoto going to compete in the lites class...
Sandbagging!

Same principal with a rider doing superflips in an AM class...

 

[raytherace]

Many of you have good point, maybe we does not just need a limited class, but a SJ class with limited 701, A/M hull with limited 800cc max class, Amateur 900cc max, PRO 900cc max and PRO 1200cc. I think in other category of racing like runabout there is a bunch of category(more than 2)??