Freestyle Looking into A/M CF hull, but dont know what I want.

[Dre0256]

I want an A/M CF hull for flat water and some surf. I don't know which way to go since I have not ridden any. I know I will be told this one, that one but please when you do give a reason not just "its best" if so give a reason please. I've been looking around and just have no idea yet. I do have motor and pump, I just now need a hull. All input greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dre

 

[WILKEY]

That new havoc hull from rage has my attention. It looks sweet and I hear it rides awesome. Can't wait to try one. Good luck.

 

[Dre0256]

That new havoc hull from rage has my attention. It looks sweet and I hear it rides awesome. Can't wait to try one. Good luck.

Thanks Wilkey. How you coming along bro? Hope all is well. I will look it up. Just banging around hull ideas. I spend most of my time in the river, so am thinking of a river friendly hull since its flat.

 

[WILKEY]

I'm getting there man. Excited to be almost pain free lol. I'll be even more excited when I can hit the throttle on a jet ski. Hope to see ya in daytona

 

[Dre0256]

I'm getting there man. Excited to be almost pain free lol. I'll be even more excited when I can hit the throttle on a jet ski. Hope to see ya in daytona

Glad to hear it bro. Have not decided if am going to Daytona or not yet, then again last year was like 2 weeks before I decided to go haha we'll see. If I do I gotcha lol

 

[WILKEY]

Sweet

 

[wanderer1]

Can you think of any hulls that you've seen go big on flat and in the surf? Knowing that there is still skill involved, that may narrow things down. So many choices

 

[swapmeet]

Im not gonna tell you what's the best because you probably won't like what I like and vice versa. Get on a plane, go to the Daytona freeride and ride some skis. If you're really serious about dropping 4-7k on a piece of carbon fiber... Go ride one first.

E.G. I went to Daytona, rode a bunch of skis. I didn't care for the KDX (could have been the set up, lots of people like them.)

But yeah, go... Ask to ride skis. If you've never been on anything bigger than a 701, I wouldn't ask to ride anything bigger than a 900.
I believe they still have "Flatwater Friday" at a lake near the freeride.

Have fun, let us know what you decide.

 

[Dre0256]

Im not gonna tell you what's the best because you probably won't like what I like and vice versa. Get on a plane, go to the Daytona freeride and ride some skis. If you're really serious about dropping 4-7k on a piece of carbon fiber... Go ride one first.

E.G. I went to Daytona, rode a bunch of skis. I didn't care for the KDX (could have been the set up, lots of people like them.)

But yeah, go... Ask to ride skis. If you've never been on anything bigger than a 701, I wouldn't ask to ride anything bigger than a 900.
I believe they still have "Flatwater Friday" at a lake near the freeride.

Have fun, let us know what you decide.

I normally do go to Daytona. I currently have a TPE SS, I've rode Rickters, A freek and a Bot at last WD that's it as far as A/M. Big motors don't bother me. I ride both surf and river, but seems like I spend more time in the river, so looking for something that I can do a bit more using my TPE motor with. Money is a concern, but not the biggest concern.

 

[Dre0256]

Can you think of any hulls that you've seen go big on flat and in the surf? Knowing that there is still skill involved, that may narrow things down. So many choices

Am scratching my head thinking.....

 

[wanderer1]

Am scratching my head thinking.....

I've seen a lot. Super Freak, EME Q series, WDK ROK R, KDX, Rickter XFR/XFS. Seems like the market has more good options than ever before, hard choice to make for sure. Riding them definitely can help, but a few minutes on a hull with a slight setup issue could make it feel like poop and not well represent the hulls potential for you. The same hull with a pump change, 155 to 144/148, will be different. Ride one with and intake grate and one without, see where I'm going. Tough man. At least you're in the position to buy, so that's a good thing right? So many good ones it seems that even if you do get the "wrong" one you still end up with a "good" one. Its a good time to be in the market lol

 

[Dre0256]

I've seen a lot. Super Freak, EME Q series, WDK ROK R, KDX, Rickter XFR/XFS. Seems like the market has more good options than ever before, hard choice to make for sure. Riding them definitely can help, but a few minutes on a hull with a slight setup issue could make it feel like poop and not well represent the hulls potential for you. The same hull with a pump change, 155 to 144/148, will be different. Ride one with and intake grate and one without, see where I'm going. Tough man. At least you're in the position to buy, so that's a good thing right? So many good ones it seems that even if you do get the "wrong" one you still end up with a "good" one. Its a good time to be in the market lol

That's my problem or dilemma so many good hulls out here that I don't know which way to go. I do know I want something that if I take it to the surf it and I will be fine, but also that I can do more on the river (more than the SJ that is). Am not looking for flat out flat water hull, but maybe something that with a small set up wake can be played with. I did talk to someone on here about a WDK Rok R carbon, but again I haven't rode one so I don't want to spend the money with out knowing more.

 

[wanderer1]

That hull definitely surprised me. Take the Jeff drama out of it. My buddy jumped on his and I figured he was gonna spend a lot of time in the water, nope, he ripped it. WFO on the river, small motor flips etc. The ya got Pete going 20' in the ocean jeez. Kinda what I mean about the abilities of these new hull designs. I know this isn't much help, but its pretty much a "you cant go wrong" situation it seems. If I were in the market I guess I would set myself parameters in order of importance and go from there. Price, how many of said product have broken/had problems (problem is people are not talking/being honest), ease of assembly etc. Whatever is important to you. I know people say "go ride a bunch", and that is not a bad idea at all, but how much are you really gonna get from a 2 min putt. So many little things that can screw how a hull feels that the relevance of a 2min ride is questionable imo. Good luck man, you are in an enviable, but difficult position.

 

[964Chris]

That hull definitely surprised me. Then ya got Pete going 20' in the ocean jeez. Kinda what I mean about the abilities of these new hull designs.

Pete jumped on an Aquabot at Pismo and decided to switch things up for 2015. Said he was immediately comfortable on it, did everything he wanted it to without having to learn or change anything. His hull is on his way to him now. Not sure if that tells you much about the hull or not.

 

[wanderer1]

Good, i'm glad Pete found something that will elevate his riding even more. Now if you can get DM to switch you'd have something lol. I was just using him as an example of using a short carbon flat water based hull in the surf.

 

[eastcoastjumper]

Buy something that will sell fast if you want to change it up or don't end up liking it. Some hulls have high value when selling used(ricKter & Superfreak) and some people are trying to give theirs away or can't sell losing a few K(aquabots & ROK ski's) based on what I see here. Even on year old/ mint hulls.

 

[KTM434]

Swapmeet had the best advice. Ride as many as you can to see what you like. You can feel the characteristics of a hull when the engine/pump aren't doing all the work aka smaller motors help to feel the hulls potential but if you plan on running a 1200/155 combo then you won't care how it feels with a 701/144 setup. I love how the Aquabot rides in surf and flat. It's a nimble hull that handles and carves extremely well but can break loose and slide easily depending on rider input. You may want something that rides completely different. The cheaper hulls are no longer lesser quality these days. Lots of options out there which is great for our sport.
Resale has too many variables to judge accurately. Price, condition, material, color, etc. That statement has no accuracy. Some people are shopping for a full price DVX without any scratches just to avoid the wait time of a new hull and other people may want a Backie Chan with composite damage because they don't mind getting a little itchy to get a fun hull for dirt cheap that needs some elbow grease.

 

[JRock637]

I was In the same position end of summer. I road as many hulls as I could. My style is sorta like yours 50/50 river chasing big boats and surf. Although I'm way less concerned about flatwater I wanted a roomy tray, hull that can rip turns aggressive not just slide like a cookie sheet on a frozen puddle. Top my list was Rickter ( already had a Fs2 ) superfreak and the Wcf visions. I liked my buddy's Rok also. I road a Bot and it was NOT for me I'll leave it at that. I wanted to try a brawler, predator but never did. But I ended up getting the new Edge. I know I will love this hull.


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[KTM434]

Haha the Edge took the Aquabot characteristics (deeper strakes and steeper nose rocker) and implemented it into their hull. Doesn't bother me that you hated the Aquabot, it's just funny what you chose after saying you hated the Bot.

 

[JRock637]

I know you wanna defend what you like but that's hardly the truth....deeper chines maybe sorta the only comparison. Edge has less rocker then a evo did....It's like all mx riders prefer their bikes setup totally different, well what you like I may not all these hulls are like shoe sizes to me. My big ass feet do not fit in a 1ft bot tray. I felt so cramped like a 7ft guy in a Miata lol just my opinion. It is what it is.


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