Pfp or fp exhaust for the surf

[J.s1027]

Which pipe is better for the surf? The power factor or the factory limited pipe? I know power factor is more geared towards top end and the factory pipe is tuneable. I would assume that for the surf one would want to have low and mid ranges for the powerband as opposed to top end what would you guys recommend?

 

[speedysprocket]

Depends on your engine and budget too...

 

[Philip Clemmons]

What he said.
Engine size is a huge factor.


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[eastcoastjumper]

I don't know if you have one of those aftermarket tanks made by the member limited slip but I cant see riding the surf with a small kart tank. Esp here on Longisland where we are technically not allowed to launch off the beach. I bring out an extra 2-5 gallons along with my full stock tank. We also launch from the closest boat ramp to the inlet.

The factory b pipe is very easy to tune and keep at the right temp so It doesn't cook couplers.

I don't know much about power gains it might or might not give over a b pipe on your jet maniac big bore. I can't see it being enough to sacrifice the stock tank for. A well tuned pump setup and a factory pipe should be more than adequate. (In my opinion)

I have no experience with the PFP and probably wouldn't get one unless I had a flat water specific setup like most of the guys who run them.

Everyone I ride with has a very similar engine setups because it works so well.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

What he said.
Engine size is a huge factor.


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@Philip Clemmons could a get a tuner's angle on why a PFP won't work well with a 701? Much appreciated.

 

[schicks]

also, the powerfactor pipes are more prone to water ingestion from the low manifold mount, where as the B-pipe manifold curls up and around making it harder for water to work its way back into the engine when the ski is tipped.

 

[TheBuzzard]

any dry pipe is going to take a beating in the surf. old dry pipes with brackets constantly broke/needed welding. pfp is low slung but still very heavy and better be secured well. TC always built surf boats with the B pipe until RRP came out with the wet, even with 1000 motors. B pipe does not create any where near the power of a dry pipe, its only more durable.if you never jumped/flipped/rolled, and just slashed surf, a dry pipe should last.

 

[yamanube]

also, the powerfactor pipes are more prone to water ingestion from the low manifold mount, where as the B-pipe manifold curls up and around making it harder for water to work its way back into the engine when the ski is tipped.

Water ingestion from your pipe + saltwater = a bad time, fought my 66E with this over a weekend in the surf, it was no fun. IMO simple is best in the surf even at the cost of a couple HP. Water jacketed dry pipes can also be fussy when running them through sandy shallow water. My vote goes to a B pipe.

 

[bsc702]

TC, gomez and a bunch of us surf riders over here on west coast use b-pipes, from dasa 1000cc engines to limeted 701s b-pipes can still produce the power to go big in the surf.

 

[Philip Clemmons]

@Philip Clemmons could a get a tuner's angle on why a PFP won't work well with a 701? Much appreciated.

I never said it wouldn't work, but it's far easier, cheaper, and more reliable to use a b pipe. Some of the TPE 964s with b pipes have been "a little much" for some customers in the surf, thus proving b pipes can work pretty well, and are far simpler.

That said, a b pipe was designed around a 633 engine. It's limited in size/volume. When going to a big motor (1000+CCs), you won't make the power it's capable of with a b pipe. The PFP and RRP pipes really shine with the big motors. If you're building an 1100, you should consider using the PFP, or know your 1100 with a b pipe will run like a much smaller engine, because the pipe limits your exhaust flow. Am I saying a b piped 1100 won't run any better than a b piped 900? No, but it won't run to its potential. The larger the engine, the more of s handicap the b pipe is.

As a general rule, 701s don't need PFPs, but most engines of 1000-1100 CCs do.

Hope that helps. Most tuners/builders can make your package work, if you've followed their guidelines.




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[Little_Franny]

I am running a pfp on a 701 in the surf and it's working well for me. I didn't swap from a bpipe so I have nothing to compare to.

My buddy is running a 760 and swapped from a b pipe to an RRP and he was totally impressed with the difference

 

[fx1dan]

I run a pfp on my flatwater ski, it has been in the surf but it was nothing but grief. I'd use a b pipe on any size motor if its for the surf.

 

[J.s1027]

Thank you all for the input as for me I am going to be running a 865 bb jet maniac blue motor I got from a buddy Fully ported for freestyle

 

[SpaceCowboy]

I never said it wouldn't work, but it's far easier, cheaper, and more reliable to use a b pipe. Some of the TPE 964s with b pipes have been "a little much" for some customers in the surf, thus proving b pipes can work pretty well, and are far simpler.

That said, a b pipe was designed around a 633 engine. It's limited in size/volume. When going to a big motor (1000+CCs), you won't make the power it's capable of with a b pipe. The PFP and RRP pipes really shine with the big motors. If you're building an 1100, you should consider using the PFP, or know your 1100 with a b pipe will run like a much smaller engine, because the pipe limits your exhaust flow. Am I saying a b piped 1100 won't run any better than a b piped 900? No, but it won't run to its potential. The larger the engine, the more of s handicap the b pipe is.

As a general rule, 701s don't need PFPs, but most engines of 1000-1100 CCs do.

Hope that helps. Most tuners/builders can make your package work, if you've followed their guidelines.




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Thanks Phil...finally a more technical explanation vs the normal my buddy's buddy with a sweet ski runs it and he says it's better and everyone else has one so it has to be good.


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[masterblaster]

tc and alot of the surf guys are using the rrp wetpipe,I keep seeing more and more in use that they are avail,for a dedicated surf boat bpipe is great,if you wana pull potential out of a larger motor the rrp carbon wetpipe can be tuned for surf or flat water fun with water in 2 min with slight water changes. if your pockets are deep enough for 1000cc+ then its smart money to move up from a bpipe..lol

 

[J.s1027]

tc and alot of the surf guys are using the rrp wetpipe,I keep seeing more and more in use that they are avail,for a dedicated surf boat bpipe is great,if you wana pull potential out of a larger motor the rrp carbon wetpipe can be tuned for surf or flat water fun with water in 2 min with slight water changes. if your pockets are deep enough for 1000cc+ then its smart money to move up from a bpipe..lol

Yea I hear ya I'm running a 865 non pv motor I am glad this post is getting a good response. I guess I'm really going to have to do some reading on the benefits of different exhausts in the surf