Pro X / Wiseco Pistons

WaveDemon

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my next rebuild will be with wiesco. they take longer to warm up but they're also lighter. if people get gains from less reciprocating mass after shaving the flywheel why not the pistons?
 

Matt_E

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Are you going to trust a crazy Rican's opinion on internal engine parts?







I kid, I kid.

I'll go with Wiseco next time as well.
 

Matt_E

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In my personal motor I have used Pro-X and Sudco. I liked both of them very much.
I think the only bad sheep to stay away from is WSM.

I have used Wiseco in other (Superjet) motors, just not my own.
 

keefer

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I have heard several of the engine builders say that you have to set the Wiesco pistons up with more clearance than OEM or ProX. Seems like I remember that OEM is at .004 and Wiesco at .006. Ask Jr. or Supertune to be sure. I agree that using the lighter pistons should give a quicker rev, you just gotta let em' warm up before revving the crap out of it.
 

WaveDemon

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I have heard several of the engine builders say that you have to set the Wiesco pistons up with more clearance than OEM or ProX. Seems like I remember that OEM is at .004 and Wiesco at .006. Ask Jr. or Supertune to be sure. I agree that using the lighter pistons should give a quicker rev, you just gotta let em' warm up before revving the crap out of it.
the reason for longer warm up and more clearance is because wisco pistons are forged. oem and pro-x are cast.
 

DAG

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i judt got my top end rebuilt and asked paul to shoot me some nice 84mm pistons.. and in the box i found some Prox...

not shure the advantages though proX V. wisco.

i had some wisco's in my 701 and i loked them, hopefull i'll get this thing built tonight na d be on the water tomarrow... it is suposted to get 85 deg (air temp) in charlotte :) :)
 

ANT

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nothing lasts longer than oem, and pro x's are basically an oem piston. Might get more power from a wiseco, but they prolly wont last as long.
 

jeepmark4x4

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Wiseco are forged pistons :woot: , if your serious about putting some PSI on the motor you have to use those....PRO x are only cast pistons which blow.........never ever ever ever play with cast anything if you go big

also depends on how you setup your motor....A forged setup needs a tighter tolerance for it to work or a cast setup will eat up a forged piston
 
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yamahammer

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wisecos look a lot beefier if you ask me- and intake shirt on wisecos already has notch in it for boost port flow- on prox we had to notch it ourselves- thats if you into that kind of porting thing
 

douglee25

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I have heard several of the engine builders say that you have to set the Wiesco pistons up with more clearance than OEM or ProX. Seems like I remember that OEM is at .004 and Wiesco at .006. Ask Jr. or Supertune to be sure. I agree that using the lighter pistons should give a quicker rev, you just gotta let em' warm up before revving the crap out of it.

You are correct. The reason Wiseco's run a large piston to cylinder wall clearance (0.006" or so vs. 0.0045 ish) is due to differing expansion rates between the piston and cylinder walls. If the clearance on a forged piston is too tight, you will get interference and usually either a seize occurs or scuffing on the cylinder wall due to the expansion rate issue. The problem with Wisecos, for your average rec rider, is that they aren't aware of this and they will have a tendency to just hammer the throttle on a cold engine. The other thing with Wiseco's are that, due to this larger piston to cylinder wall clearance, you will notice the tendency for them to slap the cylinder wall. This will be very noticeable on a cold engine. Even on a warmed up engine, Wiseco's tend to be louder vs. a cast piston. For high compression, high horsepower, high end everything (you get the point), most engine builders will suggest Wiseco despite them being a little tricky to set up. I've had luck with both cast (Pro-X) and forged (Wiseco).

Doug
 

Matt_E

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wisecos look a lot beefier if you ask me- and intake shirt on wisecos already has notch in it for boost port flow- on prox we had to notch it ourselves- thats if you into that kind of porting thing

It's not for boost flow though. It's there to provide extra cooling and lubrication to the bottom of the piston crown.

A true piston boost port is abou the size of the stock 61x boost port window in the sleeve.
 
Pro-X or OEM in my motor.
Nothing against Wiseco they are supposed to make a little more power but don't hold it as long as an OEM type piston. This just means that you need to re-ring or rebuild more often. I don't want to do that so I just run OEM or Pro-X.

Smitty runs Wiseco.

Later
Steve

PS: man you ask a lot of questions. There is a search feature. All this stuff has been asked and answered either on here or PWCToday:biggrin:
 

Powder

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Wiseco over a cast any day, simple choice in my book. I am out of town or I would post pics of the two next to each other. Just by looking at them you can tell what one had more thought put into it. If you want to gas and go and not worry about warm up or getting the most out of your setup a cast will be fine. Most builders will put cast in your no maintenance gas and go costumers and forged in the more performance minded person’s. If you are willing to do a little warm up and want to ring every ounce of performance out of your motor then hands down forged pistons all the way. I have run nothing but Wiseco in any motor i have built for almost 10 years now. I ran them in all my bikes, cars, sleds, quads or anything I built for other people. The key is matched pairs and bore to the piston not a set size. You can feel the compression come up as they warm up, more so in 2 stroke bikes and quads but it's there in skis too. Another cause of failure often is people don't gap their rings properly---or at all then say "these pistons suck." I have solid confidence in the Wiseco products. Yes products they make a lot of things other then pistons too like forged clutch baskets and now cranks. A lot of people think HotRod cranks are Wiseco's but they are not they are two diff companies they just had a very close relationship but split ways about 1.5 years ago. The new Wiseco cranks are slowly making it to market but not too much in the PWCs yet. No matter who you go with your money goes to the same people JE, Pro-X and Wiseco are all part of PMi which in part of Dover Corporation, the parent company.

Gas and Go – cast
Top performance (with a warm-up) – Forged
 

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