5mm stroker 828cc is old school technology for me now, this was based off of racing mod ski classes way back in the mid 90's, but went through a lot of changes to become a freestyle engine package, this engine is a non-PV stock 61X cylinder that's re-sleeved and bored to 85mm + the 5mm crank = 828 cc's.
The SS 865 cylinder is product of new ways to make HP with a totally new Power Valve/7 port cylinder design and today's (ours) technology using our own custom pistons manufactured by Wiseco to my very stringent weight property's I needed to achieve with this engine package. (Wiseco has screwed me with their 760 pistons (757mo series) now, as they're not pro-lites any more and now are a very heavy piston, I call them TURDS, as they are saving $$ by not doing the extra machining like they used to do.
The SS 865 package runs very close to the 8mm engines...see testing posts here:
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/53993
Not even close for a lot snapper engine to pull off even bigger freestyle tricks.
The 828 is powerful engine it's strong points are very smooth power and has a killer surf power curve, whereas the SS 865 is the TOP FUEL engine for a stock stroke/cost effective package.
This SS865 is a very good flatwater engine and more than you need power for the surf for the average rider.