Custom/Hybrid Steering Cable Probs

[stevenschneider]

So I've just installed my 3rd steering cable yesterday due to the fact that I keep breaking/bending them or what seems to be like they are getting pulled out when I turn my bars all the way to the right. Not sure how to fix this because I've adjusted both the nozzle and the handle pole so that everything flows smoothly out of the water, but when I ride it seems to be too hard on it. I have full XScream pole and steering on my Chan but cant seem to get this adjustment under control. I've also been playing around with the ball adjustment and steering slide thinking that had something to do with the angle, but everything seems legit until I start riding. In simpler terms, whenever I go full throw, the cable is hyper extended and then is being forced back into the steering cable sleeve putting pressure on the adjustment slide of the cable. Wondering if anyone has dealt with this, or can understand enough to help me out some.

 

[Kohldanielzimmer]

I struggled like mad to get the xmetal steering set up to become properly adjusted on my freak and failed. The slide design allows for too much adjustability and ends up making the adjustment process very difficult with all the factors to consider ( side to side adjustment of steering ball mount, up and down adjustment to steering ball itself, cable adjustment at bars and and at pump). There is likely a way to get your current configuration sorted out but in my case I ditched the x metal set up for RRP and I haven't looked back.

Since you have done three cables, I assume your are very familiar with which side should be at their bars vs pump. Oem cables? SN or RN length? What pump, reduction nozzle and steering nozzle setup?

 

[stevenschneider]

I struggled like mad to get the xmetal steering set up to become properly adjusted on my freak and failed. The slide design allows for too much adjustability and ends up making the adjustment process very difficult with all the factors to consider ( side to side adjustment of steering ball mount, up and down adjustment to steering ball itself, cable adjustment at bars and and at pump). There is likely a way to get your current configuration sorted out but in my case I ditched the x metal set up for RRP and I haven't looked back.

Since you have done three cables, I assume your are very familiar with which side should be at their bars vs pump. Oem cables? SN or RN length? What pump, reduction nozzle and steering nozzle setup?

The most recent cable is a 94 OEM Blaster cable (grabbed from parts ski) and seems to be working best overall for length of hull. For pump set up im running 155mm W2 pump with Thrust Pro Trim and Aluminum steering nozzle

 

[Kohldanielzimmer]

This is on a backie chan hull? I'm not sure what cables are appropriate on those skis. Some backie owners will likely chime in. Seems like a pretty unique pump set up. Is that jack suttons old hull? Perhaps ask him what cable setup worked.

 

[stevenschneider]

This is on a backie chan hull? I'm not sure what cables are appropriate on those skis. Some backie owners will likely chime in. Seems like a pretty unique pump set up. Is that jack suttons old hull? Perhaps ask him what cable setup worked.

Yeah its Jacks hull, I asked him when I first did the build and it was standard cable and he ran XScream too, maybe it'll just take a lot of tedious tuning

 

[Byeai]

We use 96-05 steering cable on backiechan we broke one and swapped to blowsion cable

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[OCD Solutions]

You haven't mentioned the steering stop once yet. You're bars must hit the stops in each direction before the cable bottoms out or extends out or you will continue to take out cables.

I was messing around with mine yesterday so it's pretty fresh in my mind. It's definitely a PITA to tune all the variables but it's important to tune the turnplate first for max throw without damaging the cable, and then you center the nozzle afterwards. I didn't get as much as i wanted but it's as much as I can get with this cable.

My turnplate has 3 positions for the steering ball but my current cable doesn't have the range to work in the outermost position . Determining that limitation is the most important detail though.

 

[stevenschneider]

You haven't mentioned the steering stop once yet. You're bars must hit the stops in each direction before the cable bottoms out or extends out or you will continue to take out cables.

I was messing around with mine yesterday so it's pretty fresh in my mind. It's definitely a PITA to tune all the variables but it's important to tune the turnplate first for max throw without damaging the cable, and then you center the nozzle afterwards. I didn't get as much as i wanted but it's as much as I can get with this cable.

My turnplate has 3 positions for the steering ball but my current cable doesn't have the range to work in the outermost position . Determining that limitation is the most important detail though.

I can get full throw both ways is the odd thing, we made sure to adjust that first and work from there, but there is still cable hyper extension problems.. Hopefully another look today can solve some issues

 

[MCrider]

You haven't mentioned the steering stop once yet. You're bars must hit the stops in each direction before the cable bottoms out or extends out or you will continue to take out cables.

I was messing around with mine yesterday so it's pretty fresh in my mind. It's definitely a PITA to tune all the variables but it's important to tune the turnplate first for max throw without damaging the cable, and then you center the nozzle afterwards. I didn't get as much as i wanted but it's as much as I can get with this cable.

My turnplate has 3 positions for the steering ball but my current cable doesn't have the range to work in the outermost position . Determining that limitation is the most important detail though.

This is where I need assistance. I have played with it for a while and I can't seem to find the sweet spot.

 

[Quinc]

Send one of your broken cables to these guys and have them make you a beefier custom cable out of it.
http://www.push-pull.com/

 

[speedysprocket]

Adjust the cable so you use the steering stop on the handle pole! The steering plate should hit the stop before the cable reaches it's max throw. Other than that, buy the blowsion cable.

 

[onlyFX-1]

Agree with the other guys, sounds like it's not hitting the steering stop.

The clamp that goes on the bars that holds the steering ball should be about a 1" from the bar clamp.

Disconnect the cable from the turn nozzle and adjust as needed on the turn plate end until the turn plate hits on stop turning both directions.

Then center your bars and center your turn nozzle with the cable still disconnected at the turn nozzle side, then adjust the connecter so it hits on the steering ball.....BAM you won't mess up any more cables

 

[stevenschneider]

Agree with the other guys, sounds like it's not hitting the steering stop.

The clamp that goes on the bars that holds the steering ball should be about a 1" from the bar clamp.

Disconnect the cable from the turn nozzle and adjust as needed on the turn plate end until the turn plate hits on stop turning both directions.

Then center your bars and center your turn nozzle with the cable still disconnected at the turn nozzle side, then adjust the connecter so it hits on the steering ball.....BAM you won't mess up any more cables

Thanks, Ill check it out later today and get back with you guys!

 

[Kohldanielzimmer]

The clamp that goes on the bars that holds the steering ball should be about a 1" from the bar clamp.

That is helpful information. Thank you for posting.

 

[onlyFX-1]

Also make sure when you turn the bars to the right, and the turn plate hits the stop that your cable still had a little more it could come out.
It could hit the stop right when the cable has hyper extended

 

[stevenschneider]

Also make sure when you turn the bars to the right, and the turn plate hits the stop that your cable still had a little more it could come out.
It could hit the stop right when the cable has hyper extended

That makes sense, I think that may be the case. Its getting jammed and then being forced back in, thanks.