Total Loss Ignition

[Matt_E]

Here is what can go wrong with TL

1. Brain Goes out
2. Pickups go out
3. figure out which pickup went out............ See #2
4. Bad connection (something shorting out)
5. Battery stops taking full charge.......
6. See Items 1-5.

1. If the brain goes out, you're SOL. They are helluva lot expensive. If mine ever goes, I'm back to stock ignition

2. MSD pickups have an annoying habit of going out, and they're not cheap.
MSD charges 65 dollars a pop, and if you're unlucky, they will be backordered.

3. Figure out which went out? Easy, take a resistance measurement across each pickup. They should read nearly zero ohms (a short) across. The pickup is just a very small coil, with only a few windings, encased in plastic.
Bad pickups read as an open circuit, or anything more than 10 ohms.
I have actually fixed the last three that broke on me. Simply grind away the black plastic until you find the break in the wire. Solder it up, and put some thickened epoxy on it to close it back up.
Works like a charm and saves me money. (I do keep spare pickups around, though!)

4.) Battery not taking full charge? Did you charge it properly? Yes, that's important. Oddyssey batteries need to be charged a certain way, especially if you'll be doing it every single day for months at a time.
Oddyssey calls for a non-constant-current type charger. That means DON'T charge it with these 2A/10A/12A chargers. Those put out a constant current, which damages the Oddysseys after a while. Also, the output voltage should be between 13.6 and 14.5 volts, and no more!
The newer automotive chargers often go up past 15.5 volts, and that will kill the Oddyssey battery over time.
The ideal charger will put out 13.5-14.5 Volts, start at about 10-12Amps for a nearly empty battery, and slowly go down to 0 Amps for a full charge.


The MSD Total Loss ignitions are not fool proof and require some special knowledge and special maintenance.
If you take care of the system (including battery) and know how to fix certain issues, it can be a very reliable performance ignition.

 

[SuperJETT]

One trick is to 3M 5200 the pickup wires to the stator plate so vibrations are minimized.

 

[waxhead]

I am working on my total loss ignitions at the moment
it will haave a replacement cdi for your box a lightweight flywheel and a stator plate
you will not even be abke to tell its in there unless you ride it

 

[Matt_E]

One trick is to 3M 5200 the pickup wires to the stator plate so vibrations are minimized.

When I "repaired" my two pickups, I put some extra resin around the wires to guide them towards the stator plate. But I like your 5200 idea a lot better.

 

[jetskiking]

So me and a buddy were noticing Paul at Magoos runs an analog.We were wondering. Is the digital that much better considering the price?What about reliability between the two?And is the analog worth doing over a rad charging flywheel if you have an enhancer.

 

[waxhead]

the rad is good
the total loss is better
not sure why paul would be running an analog other than the fact he probely had one sitting around

 

[orange flattop freestyler]

I am working on my total loss ignitions at the moment
it will haave a replacement cdi for your box a lightweight flywheel and a stator plate
you will not even be abke to tell its in there unless you ride it

Hey buddy,

I went back from MSD TL to charging because i got fed up with its problems. :frown:

Without sounding offensive, what will make your one better reliability? price? design? features etc?

I may be interested if it sounds good :biggrin:

 

[Matt_E]

So me and a buddy were noticing Paul at Magoos runs an analog.We were wondering. Is the digital that much better considering the price?What about reliability between the two?And is the analog worth doing over a rad charging flywheel if you have an enhancer.

I talked to him about that before. He told me the reliability is better.
Personally, I Have heard that the single channel, single coil digital is the worst for reliability.
I ran the analog system for a while, but had trouble with it. I ended up getting the dual channel digital for a good price and have had great luck with it.
The adjustability is much better with the digital brain.

 

[Matt_E]

Hey buddy,

I went back from MSD TL to charging because i got fed up with its problems. :frown:

Without sounding offensive, what will make your one better reliability? price? design? features etc?

I may be interested if it sounds good :biggrin:

Like I said, the MSD TL has issues. Most of them can be resolved, though.
To me, it's worth the extra hassle.

 

[waxhead]

Hey buddy,

I went back from MSD TL to charging because i got fed up with its problems. :frown:

Without sounding offensive, what will make your one better reliability? price? design? features etc?

I may be interested if it sounds good :biggrin:

Thats a good question
Ok well it runs the same electronics as the cdi i am selling on here for a std flywheel
which has proven to be very reliable

its very programable being able to be programed down to .25 of a degree every 50 rpm
the cdi bolts in place of your own cdi so its in a waterproof box and a direct replacement for your stock cdi

because its digital it doesnt draw hardly anything of the battery and you can use it for two whole days and not have to worry about your battery going flat

the flywheel will be of a very light weight so it will buss like a chain saw

 

[orange flattop freestyler]

Sound good, what sort of money would one of these be and how much to get it to the UK?

Is it set via a PC interface?

 

[waxhead]

yes it is via a pc interface
i am not able to release a price just yet until its done
U.K you say
No problem at all

 

[orange flattop freestyler]

Okay buddy,

it will take a lot to get me to sway from my virtually bulletproof charging setup but if you keep me posted on your progress i will be happy to listen.

Cheers

 

[waxhead]

i have the same digital ignition for your charging system as well

i have a post on here about digital ignitions for superjets and sxrs
it even shows you the interface

 

[orange flattop freestyler]

Ill go find it and have a look.

cheers

 

[jetskiking]

I talked to him about that before. He told me the reliability is better.
Personally, I Have heard that the single channel, single coil digital is the worst for reliability.
I ran the analog system for a while, but had trouble with it. I ended up getting the dual channel digital for a good price and have had great luck with it.
The adjustability is much better with the digital brain.

Yeah he said he ran it for reliability and cost. He also said beware of the single channel digital.

 

[Matt_E]

Some folks simply run a total loss without a brain. :frown: :headbang:

 

[robertg]

What is the difference in battery life between the analogue and digital? I want to buy a digital but they are difficult to find cheap.

 

[Matt_E]

I've ran both, and yet I can't really compare it. Theoretically, the dual channel should be noticably better.
However, I would only be out a maximum of four hours at a time anyways, so I can't say.

 

[hangtime]

Just a little info on the Odyssey batteries.
I just got one from Magoos a couple of months ago and this is right from the owners manual in front of me .

Matt is right about not exceeding 15 Volts on your charger (this will allow gasses to escape from the battery and destroy it. it does say you have to have a charger that slowly reduces amps.

(Quote from owners manual) - to fully charge an odyssey battery 20 amps constant currant is needed with charger voltage betwwen 14.1 and 14.7 volts not exceeding 15 volts as this will cause the battery to out-gas hydrogen from the battery shortening life and causing premature failure .Charging voltages should be measured during the time the charger is going from full output to to reducing output .

that being said ,I dont run TL but have never had to charge my battery (it's only about 9 months old now ):headbang: