Freestyle Trim modification epiphany

I’ll try to make a long and boring story short- but after riding today and noticing such a drastic change, I had to share my thoughts. This might have been common knowledge to everyone but to me it wasn’t so I’m sure it will help someone.

So I’ve been running an oem 155 pump with an rrp trim ring and rrp steering nozzle with oem reduction nozzle. It was a good system and did what it was suppose to. But after buying a 5 degree reduction nozzle and setting it up- I realized how inefficient my trim was. I was chasing my tail with prop pitch and trying to dial it in when my problem was a restrictive trim system and not so much a poorly pitched prop.

Basically on my old trim, at full trim the flow would get very restricted. I had my nozzle bored out to 90mm however at full trim the flow would get restricted to 80mm at the “bend”- that was a BIG source of a prop pitch problems, because now at full throttle everything was getting limited by that 80mm point. For my setup I always felt that I had weak flips and rotation and terrible spins... well this was the source of my problem. Now that I’ve added my new reduction nozzle and cut the nose of it off to various degrees- the pump is much happier and the most restricted portion is about 87-88mm. Now I have to pitch back up because it’s spinning like crazy. I also made sure my tolerance were very tight to eliminate any “leakage”

Moral of my story- if you’re chasing down prop pitch confusion, check your trim and measure the most restrictive spot- you might be surprised. I can go more in-depth of how I modified mine and what my trim looks like now, but the principle here is the main take away.

Today on the water I was finally able to idle flip and 360 with ease and hit a 540 off a small boat wake. This was by far one of the most drastic changes I’ve made on my ski.

Some trim systems might have already addressed this, but idk, I’ve never measured others. But those running a pieced together trim system might want to have a closer look.

If this was all common knowledge to others then that’s cool too, let me enjoy my epiphany lol.


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I’ll try to make a long and boring story short- but after riding today and noticing such a drastic change, I had to share my thoughts. This might have been common knowledge to everyone but to me it wasn’t so I’m sure it will help someone.

So I’ve been running an oem 155 pump with an rrp trim ring and rrp steering nozzle with oem reduction nozzle. It was a good system and did what it was suppose to. But after buying a 5 degree reduction nozzle and setting it up- I realized how inefficient my trim was. I was chasing my tail with prop pitch and trying to dial it in when my problem was a restrictive trim system and not so much a poorly pitched prop.

Basically on my old trim, at full trim the flow would get very restricted. I had my nozzle bored out to 90mm however at full trim the flow would get restricted to 80mm at the “bend”- that was a BIG source of a prop pitch problems, because now at full throttle everything was getting limited by that 80mm point. For my setup I always felt that I had weak flips and rotation and terrible spins... well this was the source of my problem. Now that I’ve added my new reduction nozzle and cut the nose of it off to various degrees- the pump is much happier and the most restricted portion is about 87-88mm. Now I have to pitch back up because it’s spinning like crazy. I also made sure my tolerance were very tight to eliminate any “leakage”

Moral of my story- if you’re chasing down prop pitch confusion, check your trim and measure the most restrictive spot- you might be surprised. I can go more in-depth of how I modified mine and what my trim looks like now, but the principle here is the main take away.

Today on the water I was finally able to idle flip and 360 with ease and hit a 540 off a small boat wake. This was by far one of the most drastic changes I’ve made on my ski.

Some trim systems might have already addressed this, but idk, I’ve never measured others. But those running a pieced together trim system might want to have a closer look.

If this was all common knowledge to others then that’s cool too, let me enjoy my epiphany lol.


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When you say cut then nose off what do you mean?
 
The snout of the reduction nozzle- in my case with my trim ring, the top portion of reduction nozzle was the biggest killer. I cut the snout off at an angle with more off the top then the bottom. I cut just enough to not make any gaps with my trim ring.


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Looking at the ski now I see what you are saying. Are you pulling trim when you do 360s? Was recently told to do this but have yet to give it a try.
 
Looking at the ski now I see what you are saying. Are you pulling trim when you do 360s? Was recently told to do this but have yet to give it a try.

Originally no- however when I set my ski up to ride today I gave myself probably 10-15 degrees of static uptrim. So basically all my riding today was with trim. I liked how it spun with that- but I’ll probably bring the static trim angle down a little since the ski was riding a little too nose high for me


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Cool info! I'm running thrust pro trim on my 701 FS2 Evo. I dont think the thrust trim ring reduced my flow but now youv got me wondering if a thrust exit nozzle is the same diameter of an OEM 144 nozzle. Ski rips and holds wot like crazy. Cant even remember what it was like before.

Totally different machine than what you're on though
 
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Ive never lost any thrust with any of my skis while pulling trim.. Sounds like you have something wonky going on with your trim system based on what you typed. What hull do you have? Post some pics of your pump setup.
 
Ive never lost any thrust with any of my skis while pulling trim.. Sounds like you have something wonky going on with your trim system based on what you typed. What hull do you have? Post some pics of your pump setup.

It could definitely be just how my setup was- originally I had a full 148 rrp trim system with their reduction nozzle and all- but I can’t remember how their nozzle looks now or how well it’s flowed from reduction nozzle to steering nozzle.

But along the line I ended up with a 155 reduction with the rrp trim ring and steering nozzle but just recently in this change I switched to the 5* reduction with oem trim ring and kept my rrp steering nozzle.

Basically all my thrust was going from 90mm out the reduction- to 80mm in the “bend” and then out 94mm from the steering nozzle.... which in general was a thrust killer. Especially since I grinder the ring to give more trim angle.

Anyone with a pieced together trim should just have a look and a quick measure to be safe to make sure the diameter flow makes sense- because mine clearly didn’t.


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Here’s some pics showing the cut and the angle

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Chase, so what you're saying is the top of the reduction nozzle IF too long can interfere with the upward flow when trim is up ?

100%- visually it doesn’t look like much but the numbers don’t lie. And it wasn’t just up trim- it’s when my steering is turned all the way that also benefited


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Everyone runs different trim- so it’s easy to pull off your steering nozzle and then measure from the top of the reduction nozzle to the bottom of the trim ring when it’s at full trim. Same goes for the steering.


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