08 superjet bottom deck?

[RiverRat]

how much surf riding do you do in Kentucky?

None, but the rev bottom is too twitchey for me. I think I am just going to modify the REV bottom and see how I like it. Use fiberglass dowls to deepen the straikes, shorten the back 2-3in and sharpen up the edges where Jeff has rounded them. That should get me close to where I want to be. I am tossing around the idea of getting a mag pump instead of doing the bottom deck swap. Modifying the existing bottom will keep me under budget and on target for the season.

 

[sflsurfrider]

Was that captains? Man I am already losing my memory.

no, it was jd. :nono:

youre right scorn. we're mostly a CL crew.....now, i will make sure to keep it that way.... :ugh:

 

[Idok]

I am tossing around the idea of doing a 08 style superjet bottom on my x-jet. I am not a big fan of the REV bottom with a 62t platform b/c I think it is too squirrly. Riding it in the surf just sealed the fate of that bottom for me. It could not carve and I was always fighting the boat. It is ok in flat, but all around it is just to difficult to handle and have fun with.

My options are:

1) add a little weight to it and swap the REV bottom for a sqarenose bottom deck. I was thinking of adding some mild sponsons up front and just paint it black.

2)Have WCF buld me a 08 style bottom deck. It should be about 20lbs lighter than a OEM conversion bottom deck and have the added benifit of the new bottom deck design. However, I have not been on the 08 bottom.

From those that have ridden both, what do you think? Both will be shortened 2in in the rear. I am sure it would be nice in the surf but I hear mixed reviews in the flat. I am pretty much just a flat water rider.

Any comments would be appreciated. This decision is bugging the crap out of me.

WHAT!!!?!?!!! dude, again....what the hell are you talking about??



if you dont think the REV can carve (with or without a 62T) then you dont know how to ride it..that boat will carve and turn so hard it will highside you before yoiu know what hit ya..

very much like riding an SXR, but without the "couchlike stability"..


it probably feels like you are fighting it because you are trying to make it handle like a SJ


FWIW it took me over 6 months of surf riding EVERY weekend to really figure that boat out...I almost gave up on it a few times as well, but its all about learning where to put the hull...

the REV carvs like a knife when ridden on the "tubby area" of the hull....it will steer from the nose (rather than beeing steered by the thrust) and has a knifelike edge that will grab harder the faster you ride it




As far as the REV bottom goes:

The harder and faster you ride it, the better it handles. Period.






saying that its "too squirrly for the surf" after what...1 tank, 2 tanks?




come on, thats total BS and is a short sided statement at the very least






second...what is this "added benefit of the 08 bottom" that you are talking about. How do you know its better having not been on one yet?



not to mention all the BS you have to do to an 08 to make it ridable

Why build a race hull bottom for a flat water ski?? The 08 is a great hull and design, but it is build to carve the water, real similar to the SXR. I had a hard time just getting the one I road to jump out of the water.

exactly.

 

[FL-cracker]

WHAT!!!! dude, again....what the hell are you talking about



if you dont think the REV can carve (with or without a 62T) then you dont know how to ride it..that boat will carve and turn so hard it will highside you before yoiu know what hit ya..

very much like riding an SXR, but without the "couchlike stability"..


it probably feels like you are fighting it because you are trying to make it handle like a SJ


FWIW it took me over 6 months of surf riding EVERY weekend to really figure that boat out...I almost gave up on it a few times as well, but its all about learning where to put the hull...

the REV carvs like a knife when ridden on the "tubby area" of the hull....it will steer from the nose (rather than beeing steered by the thrust) and has a knifelike edge that will grab harder the faster you ride it




As far as the REV bottom goes:

The harder and faster you ride it, the better it handles. Period.



saying that its "too squirrly for the surf" after what...1 tank, 2 tanks?




come on, thats total BS and is a short sided statement at the very least





exactly.

NO BOAT SHOULD EVER TAKE 6 MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT. I dont give a fulk!


Its not just him Idork.... Coung thought the Rev handled like absolute chit (he road it for alot longer then 2 tanks), said it set him back like 6 months wasting his time on a Rev..... Saki said your boat sucked arse at Daytona, and I was suprised he really like the way my light weight SJ handled even in the washer machine we had Saturday.... A matter of fact I have never heard one good thing about the Rev.... Probbaly why Jeff came out with the SXR based Envy.... He failed.... Thats why the Rev is so much cheaper I guess.

Quit picking on Hunter.... Go practice riding your REV, maybe some day you will figure it out. :slap:

Hunter knows that hull sucks, let him do what he needs to make it better. :fing02:

 

[Brenden]

I am tossing around the idea of doing a 08 style superjet bottom on my x-jet. I am not a big fan of the REV bottom with a 62t platform b/c I think it is too squirrly. Riding it in the surf just sealed the fate of that bottom for me. It could not carve and I was always fighting the boat. It is ok in flat, but all around it is just to difficult to handle and have fun with.

My options are:

1) add a little weight to it and swap the REV bottom for a sqarenose bottom deck. I was thinking of adding some mild sponsons up front and just paint it black.

2)Have WCF buld me a 08 style bottom deck. It should be about 20lbs lighter than a OEM conversion bottom deck and have the added benifit of the new bottom deck design. However, I have not been on the 08 bottom.

From those that have ridden both, what do you think? Both will be shortened 2in in the rear. I am sure it would be nice in the surf but I hear mixed reviews in the flat. I am pretty much just a flat water rider.

Any comments would be appreciated. This decision is bugging the crap out of me.

look at the two highlighted sentences....(1)you rode it in the surf and didnt like the way it handled
(2) you are mainly just a flatwater rider

From these two sentences you pretty much have the problem solved
The answer: Leave it and ride
Also maybe when you ride surf if you ride it for a flatwater guy...try adjusting yourself not the boat to do what you want.

 

[SuperJETT]

Hunter, pick something and just ride. You tinker too much looking for what you think is going to be the holy grail of ski instead of practicing. People can barrel roll squarenoses, roundnoses, SXR's, Octanes, FX-1's, etc, all with stock hulls.

You lost last year waiting on Waterdawg to come through on multiple things, don't waste this year too. Your X-Jet will do whatever you need it to, just ride it. Put a longer rideplate on to make it not so twitchy, move some weight back up front and you're set. Your Lamey will do everything except a backflip, so make it do it!

 

[Scorn800]

Hunter, pick something and just ride. You tinker too much looking for what you think is going to be the holy grail of ski instead of practicing. People can barrel roll squarenoses, roundnoses, SXR's, Octanes, FX-1's, etc, all with stock hulls.

You lost last year waiting on Waterdawg to come through on multiple things, don't waste this year too. Your X-Jet will do whatever you need it to, just ride it. Put a longer rideplate on to make it not so twitchy, move some weight back up front and you're set. Your Lamey will do everything except a backflip, so make it do it!

hahaha...werd
it's all about the ride
Oh, and ride GREEN:Banane09:

 

[Idok]

:lmao:



Bronson..I reject the validity of your post


1. Cuong freely admits he doesnt like anything but the way a SJ handles. I spoke with him over the phone before I bought my hull and heard right from his mouth.

first thing Jeff will tell you about a REV.. "It doesnt handled ANYTHING like a SJ"


2. Hunter is a flatwater rider who rides surf for 3 hours a year and makes a claim that a boat is "not good for surf"

sorry, thats BS (no offense Hunter, but its true..)


3. The REV failed, so he made the ENVY? are you kidding? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

did that mean that the F1 pro failed, the Xjet, AND the REV all failed? They are simply OPTIONS.


Does that mean that original Xmetal pole design failed because there was a new one released at daytona this year?


Does that mean that the matrix is going to fail because the Epic is being produced?


Think about it.





Now..come on up and spend a morning on it.....Dont go out and backflip it the first wave you see because noone will care, and we'll probably have to rescue you again


so come on out and we'll do some surf riding, we'll see if you can think outside the box :fing02:

 

[Idok]

Hunter...one last thing..



If you dont like the way your REV handles with a T motor then put a ing 66e in it like it was DESIGNED to have

havent you been working on one for like 2 years now?

 

[FL-cracker]

Fair enough, I will give it a try.... But I still think that 6 months to figure out the way a ski handles is just way to long. JMO

And either way I guess I just think WDK is a Failure anyways. JMO

I realy want to try the f1 do you have tubbies on it?

The reason why I said the Rev failed and he made a Envy is because Jeff himself said that he was not building another Ski after the Rev.... but then he decided to build the Envy.

 

[Big Kahuna]

The Rev is a very aggressive hull, you have to ride it aggressive to utilize the benefits of it. This is not a hull that you can just pop on and figure it out after 2 rides.....

 

[Polish jet pilot]

Shift your weight foreward. And if we talk squirrly hull try a 550. I put sponsons on a 550 and it carves beautifully. One way or the other I rode a 08 a few times and it carves nicely, but for me its a race hull.

 

[FreestyleFreak]

Cant we just be friends.

 

[Idok]

Fair enough, I will give it a try.... But I still think that 6 months to figure out the way a ski handles is just way to long. JMO

And either way I guess I just think WDK is a Failure anyways. JMO

I realy want to try the f1 do you have tubbies on it?

The reason why I said the Rev failed and he made a Envy is because Jeff himself said that he was not building another Ski after the Rev.... but then he decided to build the Envy.

I agree....6 months to learn how to ride something IS a long time...thats why I almost gave up on it a few times as well..

only reason I didnt is that Butti kept pushing me to ride it more and more....he had his hull (same bottom as a REV) almost a year before me, so I watched him struggle with it as well...

but now I think it handles great! it has the stability (or lack thereof) of an Fx1 with the carving ability of an sxr...




first thing we'll do is have you go out and pin it across the bay....You wont make it, noone does.


Its a unique design and handles absolutly fantastic in the surf...but if you are expecting a SJ like ride, forget it..it aint happenin

the REV needs to be ridden like its on closed course......hard, low and fast



Havent spent much time on the F1 yet...brought it home with an electrical gremlin and i need to tidy up the couple of shortcuts I made so it could be at daytona.
no tubbies on it yet, I want to spend a season on it tubbyless first..I dont have a problem with the way a stock fx hull handles, but I know they will improve it..

 

[FreestyleFreak]

I have ridden the rev hull several times,Idok has a point if you try to hold it wide open and go in a straight line it aint gonna happen,it'll flip you off like a old kawa 750.But after a couple rides i liked it more and more,but it would take a while for me to get use to it.

 

[Munkie]

The Rev is a very aggressive hull, you have to ride it aggressive to utilize the benefits of it. This is not a hull that you can just pop on and figure it out after 2 rides.....

But dont they break when ridden aggressively? Flarncyguy ripped his hull apart and he lives on the flat coast of FL.

 

[RiverRat]

The REV bottom is to twitchy for me in the flat, I DON"T like it with the t motor. It is not AS bad with a 66e motor. I have some changes in store.

I can get criticized left and right......I don't care. I know I'm not talking out my ass and I stand behind what I have said about the REV bottom, I have been running it for a while. FYI Idok, Jeff agrees with me on pretty much everything I have said, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I am almost all set up for a nice season of riding. One hull, two powerplants set up to swap out within 1 hour. My goal is to ride hard this year, do some freestyle shows, competitions and Nationals.

 

[RiverRat]

Hunter...one last thing..



If you dont like the way your REV handles with a T motor then put a ing 66e in it like it was DESIGNED to have

havent you been working on one for like 2 years now?

:banghead: Sure! Why don't I just throw on my waterdawg dry pipe and go! WTF do you think I have been doing the last 2 years.


Edited By Admin. Knock off the personal insults or take it to PM.

 

[Idok]

The REV bottom is to twitchy for me in the flat, I DON"T like it with the t motor. It is not AS bad with a 66e motor. I have some changes in store.

I can get criticized left and right......I don't care. I know I'm not talking out my ass and I stand behind what I have said about the REV bottom, I have been running it for a while. FYI Idok, Jeff agrees with me on pretty much everything I have said, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I am almost all set up for a nice season of riding. One hull, two powerplants set up to swap out within 1 hour. My goal is to ride hard this year, do some freestyle shows, competitions and Nationals.

so, when you typed that did you have the overwhelming urge to make this face:

:nana:



Its probably a safe bet that I have spent more time in the surf on a REV in the past year than you and jeff COMBINED

but you guys go ahead and hash it out some more on the phone..


mine will be in the water twitchin away ripping faces off of every wave I can find :27:

 

[grezzmky]

intake grates are NOT the same. They bolt up but becuse of the pump position the 08s need a diff grate to work properly