701 vs 760 ignitions

bored&stroked

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Ive read they are different, and that only the 760 can use the zeeltronics box. Besides that point if your looking to go zeel, is there any advantage to one over the other? Also ok to run whatever? Like is it ok to run say a 61x full electrical system on a 760? Or vise versa?
 
The short version of this is you take a 760 complete electrical system (mag cover, stator, flywheel, ebox) you yank out the stock 760 cdi, the zeel plugs in (it literally can be ordered with a compatible plug that just plugs in), you run a power wire, cram it all back in there, and you have a fully programmable ignition with a nice bright powerful spark, sealed up in the oem box with mostly oem components. You can program any curve you want, any rev limit, you can even store 2 curves and have an external switch to flip between them.
 
The zeeltronics uses a hall effect sensor to trigger the coil to fire instead of a pulse and exciter coil as used in the 61x and 62t electronics. Kawi 750/800 electronics uses a hall effect sensor as well so the zeel can be setup to work with the stock electronics.
 
To start with the 760 complete system and the 701 complete systems (there are two, 61x and 62t) can be bolted on and will physically work on any 701 or 760. So either motor will at least run with either system.

Which will run better? On a very mild stock motor, probably there is no real difference.

Lots of info in these threads:

http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/gp760-64x-timing-curve-mapped-out.196221/

http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/msd-enhancer-vs-protec-modded-cdi.183691/page-6

Based on that...aaahhhh I dunno.

Lately with the popularity of the zeel 64x (760) stuff goes for a premium, so if I'm choosing on price I'd probably get a 62t, because you can probably get that cheaper.

If I wasn't choosing on price, I'd get the 760 setup and run a zeel. (I'm currently doing that on three skis)

Gotta give you the usual disclaimer...I don't really know what's best, your mileage may vary.
 
The main difference is that Zeel and the stock 760 if I recall correctly are purely digital ignitions and can be programmable. The stock 701 61x or 62t are purely mechanical achieving their timing curve by way of hardware only. Anything digital has to have a processor of some sort and memory storage for the CPU to read and process the programmed operations and curve whereas an all mechanical design relies exclusively on hardware like diodes, resistors, capacitors etc. to control the process. But in response to simply swapping out CDI units from one to the other no, you need the complete ebox setup of each to run them properly. A Zeel and stock 760 ignition needs the 760 flywheel, stator, stator cover and ebox. A 61x CDI needs the 61x flywheel, stator and ebox, a 62t needs the 62t stator, flywheel and ebox as both models are very different, but you can use the same stator/flywheel cover for both the 61x and 62t. The 760 stator/flywheel cover is a completely different animal. Now I have read that you can swap out the 61x CDI with a 62t but you would need to make a jumper wire to change one lead from male to female? don't quote me on this though as I have not done it or seen it, but the point here is as far as a direct plug n play swap, no, each setup needs to be kept together.
 
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I figured it was pretty common knowledge that the 61x and 62t electronics will bolt right up to the 64x and vise versa since the cranks, and the cases are basically all interchangable. you just have to keep all of the components together for each electronics setup whether its 61x, 62t or 64x
 
Sounds like Novelis lol. Instead of researching their own info from when they were AlCAN or AlCOA, they try the same nonsense under the belief that they have new ideas to reinvent the wheel, and this time it will work lol. As per usual they fail misserably because what they think is new is sitting in their very own vast database of been there done that, didn't work lol
 

bored&stroked

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Now I have read that you can swap out the 61x CDI with a 62t but you would need to make a jumper wire to change one lead from male to female?

This is part of why I asked. The 62t in my raider lost ignition. When I changed CDI's it had a 6m6 box in it with the adapter wire connecting it and confused me.
Also, I just got a 760 waverunner. Dual 44's to my superjet, 760 cylinder going on the raider, and the leftover parts being put back together to sell the ski. Didn't know which ignition system I was going to throw on the hybrid engine when I sell it.

I figured it was pretty common knowledge that the 61x and 62t electronics will bolt right up to the 64x and vise versa since the cranks, and the cases are basically all interchangable. you just have to keep all of the components together for each electronics setup whether its 61x, 62t or 64x
Kinda, but I've also heard about 760's using different setups for the rear cylinder and didn' t know if that translated to the ignition system and if it made them unwanted for standups unless going zeel.
 
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