next spring thinking about doing a Bullett X2 build... its main purpose to be fast really fast and maybe rail a few high speed corners out on the Mississippi up in Wisconsin. ALL FUN machine... Tricks?? mmm probably not im more of a corner freak and love speed.. my question to you sense im fairly new to jetskis but Not new to boating been doing it my entire life we basically live on the water but my dad always hated jetskis but now that im on my own in the same town i figure id try a friends ski and LOVED it cant believe what ive been missing im a motocross guy so riding my first standup was cake felt awesome.. but i will say i like the x2s much better... back to my question i had for you haha Bullett x2 hull with an 1100 is 75mph feasible??? am i asking for trouble on such a small ski?? is the power just not there for it??? what pump or extras on the motor do you think would be needed if its possible??? i figure it'd be pretty cool to keep up if not pass a modern supercharger 4stroke ski with just a little x2 and watch there jaws drop hahah comment and let me now what you think... Am i asking to much for this little ski??
650/X-2 75 ish ??? is it possible
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iangdesign
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You're talking about a big money hull and a lots of cash to keep up with a couch. I have never heard of one reaching 75, mid to high 60s is possible. Good luck!
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I'm not sure what a "Bullet" X2 is.
Look into SXRs. Do what they do, then expect to go slower. I think the SXRs are just pushing 75, and that's with very worked 1100's tweeked until they are about to explode. I'm assuming by "bullet" you mean some special hull design and not just "A X2 that goes really fast". The X2 handles like
at 45mph, so no, you will not be doing 75 on a stock hull design no matter what motor you are using.
Your eyes are big but your knowledge is small. If you want to have the baddest X2 ever built, you might what to start by getting a X2, working it over a little, and learning a thing or 2 about it. If you knew anything about the X2, you wouldn't be asking this question to begin with.
If you want to do 75mph on a X2, Come up with about 30K to buy a Gen 2 and pay someone to tweek it.
Look into SXRs. Do what they do, then expect to go slower. I think the SXRs are just pushing 75, and that's with very worked 1100's tweeked until they are about to explode. I'm assuming by "bullet" you mean some special hull design and not just "A X2 that goes really fast". The X2 handles like
at 45mph, so no, you will not be doing 75 on a stock hull design no matter what motor you are using.Your eyes are big but your knowledge is small. If you want to have the baddest X2 ever built, you might what to start by getting a X2, working it over a little, and learning a thing or 2 about it. If you knew anything about the X2, you wouldn't be asking this question to begin with.
If you want to do 75mph on a X2, Come up with about 30K to buy a Gen 2 and pay someone to tweek it.
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anything is possible with money but it'll def either be a LOT of work and/or a lot of money...a fully built triple with the right prop should feasibly do it along with the right hull mods...75 might be a long stretch but maybe 70...seen quite a few raiders hit high 60's low 70's without triple pipes so i think it could be done...would be too scared to try it myself i think 45-50 on that hull is plenty for me.
How fast do you wanna spend, or go I mean.
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/119542-Speed-record-holding-ski-800-sxr-with-supercharged-215hp-engine
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/119542-Speed-record-holding-ski-800-sxr-with-supercharged-215hp-engine
Thats what the company called Bullett racing makes.. a modified gen 2 hull... Correct ive never ridden an x2 before as my post says I've only recent rode a stand up and loved it started looking and found out about x2s gen 2 that is... Obviously by the response 75 to you guys is ridiculous i have no idea how fast i was going on the stand up so i thought id ask what the norm is.. so with a gen 2 hull with a 93 octane 1100 what kind of speeds should i expect?? 55-60
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1100 SXRs are in the low-mid 60s I'd suspect the x2 to loose a few off that similarly setup. 75 is going to need more motor and an unrealistic budget. Not to mention 75 on an x2 would be sketchy as hell, on a standup/x2 for me it starts to feel "fast" at 45-50.
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The "bullet" X2 he is talking about is from the hull manufacturer. Argueably the highest quality hull out there. But you are going to pay for it. The V2 bottom deck x2 they sell retails for 6500. That is hull ONLY. A 1100 isnt going to get you to 75 without huge mods. Stroker crank, full cylinder porting, case porting, huge carbs, huge setback mag pump. I would ride a x2 before you pull the trigger. You can talk all you want, but the gen 2 isn't for some people. Some love it, some hate it.
Read through this. Its all about 1100 SXR's. All gen 2's have the same bottom deck as a SXR besides the V2 bullet hulls. http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=303650
Read through this. Its all about 1100 SXR's. All gen 2's have the same bottom deck as a SXR besides the V2 bullet hulls. http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=303650
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Oh, I forgot to say, Good luck.
Again ive now realized from responses 75 is a bit to far in fact the more i think about it ...has any one jumped out of a boat at 65mph ummm yeah thatd prolly hurt a bit... i never thought of it that way but thanks for the comments guys just trying to get ahold of the jetski scene. From what ive herd so far i agree that Bullett makes one of the best but also would like to add... who else even makes a gen 2 hull new besides them??? Trinity is all i could come up with and there prices are pretty much the same but Rusty over at Bullett does crazy nice installs for RTR's which is what i would have to do sense i know nothing about building a ski once its together i could easily service and pull it apart no problem but wouldn't no where to start if building from scratch with just a hull and a bunch of parts.
what are common things people say they hate about x2's specifically the gen 2's ?????
Also i talked to Rusty at Bullett and he told me if i remember right that i could see speeds any where from 60-67 with a decent modded 1100 decent modded being a little more compression and just use 91 or 93 octane pump gas to be safe i do remember him saying i wouldnt need triple pipes... from the sound of it triple pipes is just a separate pipe for each cylinder to give it some more power correct?? and to be honest how in the world would you fit trip pipes in a gen 2 there just doesnt seem to be the room
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It would require extensive fabrication and time.
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i simply mentioned that ive seen quite a few raider 1100's without triple pipes run in the high 60s low 70s so you could possibly do it(meaning theres enough motor there with single pipe) to possibly get you into 70s IF the hull is set up for it and the right prop....idk if you took it wrong and thought i meant u needed trip pipes to run that speed.
no i understand i was refering to rusty the owner i talked to who said if i remember right guys are hitting 60-67 on his hull.. the v2 bottom with gen 2 top with the 1100 with a single pipe and a little more compression... then i just got to thinken after looking at photos how on earth would three pipes fit even with time and crazy fabrication it just seems like much to little room inside...
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i wasn't referring to that, i was talking about gps'd speeds.
my stock raider 1100 gps'd 59.7 and wasn't even on glass water...there is/was some well built raiders on greenhulk that have gps speeds in the mid 60s to low 70s...
my stock raider 1100 gps'd 59.7 and wasn't even on glass water...there is/was some well built raiders on greenhulk that have gps speeds in the mid 60s to low 70s...
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generally speaking, when someone says X2, they are talking about the Gen 1, original X2. If you are talking about the Gen 2, you should specify the Gen 2 X2.
As I said in my original reply, if you are looking at those speeds, you need to look Gen 2. There are SXRs hitting 75mph but those are the top 1%. If you want to hit those kinds of speeds, you can, on a Gen 2 with very very deep pockets.
Gen 1 is a no. It will not handle at those speeds unless you make a lot of hull mods. Stock hulls loose handling at 40-45. My modified hull looses handling at 45-50.
I think with your limited experience on skis, a SXR with a piped stock motor would be plenty to start. Go from there. You can get a super clean SXR with a pipe and some other mods for the price of a bullet hull.
It will be a bit of ride time before you can hold a stock piped SXR wide open through a corner. If you can't do that, you have no business on a tweeked 1100.
So again, be sure to specify Gen 2 X2, you will get different responses. Secondly, start with a SXR, and if you want Gen 2 X2, buy a hull later or convert the SXR.
As I said in my original reply, if you are looking at those speeds, you need to look Gen 2. There are SXRs hitting 75mph but those are the top 1%. If you want to hit those kinds of speeds, you can, on a Gen 2 with very very deep pockets.
Gen 1 is a no. It will not handle at those speeds unless you make a lot of hull mods. Stock hulls loose handling at 40-45. My modified hull looses handling at 45-50.
I think with your limited experience on skis, a SXR with a piped stock motor would be plenty to start. Go from there. You can get a super clean SXR with a pipe and some other mods for the price of a bullet hull.
It will be a bit of ride time before you can hold a stock piped SXR wide open through a corner. If you can't do that, you have no business on a tweeked 1100.
So again, be sure to specify Gen 2 X2, you will get different responses. Secondly, start with a SXR, and if you want Gen 2 X2, buy a hull later or convert the SXR.
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George over on pwctoday cuts the top deck off sxr's and puts a gen 2 x2 top deck on them. So you get a gtx2.
You are getting way ahead of yourself with this whole idea. You need to learn to ride a ski, let alone a gen 2, before you spend thousands of dollars attempting to go 70 on a x2. You've never ridden one. RIDE one before you get any more crazy ideas. You may hate it. Have you even rode a gen 1? Where did your idea of tripple pipes come from? No one does that.
If you are dead set on getting one, start with a 800. Add a pipe, and you will be set until you are good enough to handle the 1100. You will be able to trade the 800 setup straight across for a 1100 setup. Going straight to a 1100 is a death sentence if you ask me....Although it would be hilarious to watch.
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Rusty over at Bullett had briefly said in a conversation with him on the phone about the 1100's reliability i think is what we were talking about and he said a stock one is pretty reliable cuz i wouldnt be doing a tone of work compression wise or triple pipes didnt really say it was possible just said the words triple pipes so i assumed it may be possible i would never do it even i knew right off the bat that means lots of custom fab there isnt any room for it.... ive built a car from the frame up so i understand fab work plenty. but thats a hole nother chapter of my life haha back on topic
Although it would be hilarious to watch<<< i did kind of chuckle at this hahaha
maybe thats what ill do and yes im dead set on a gen 2 no doubt about that maybe i will just do an 800 first...
is it pretty easy to just swap in an 1100 later with maybe a different pump setup because of the different power is it straight forward at least???
Correct me if im wrong but in terms of aftermarket motors or power upgrades to even full billet motors isnt the 800 have quite a bit of stuff that can be done to it vs the 1100... seems to me the 1100 is much more reliable left almost stock and parts seem to be easier to get brand new in terms of the 800??? and im also a little concerned after reading the 1100 with a 4-5 gal tank will only last you 15-20 min whats a stock and modded 800s do for gas are they a lot better?
AND GUYS please im new to all of this so asking about 75mph among other questions i understand has prolly been asked before or gets old but just bare with me u were all new to the sport at one point right?? i really am learning and loving every bit of it THANK YOU for all the help and constructive criticism... spending about 20-25,000 is what im seeing and if thats the case i really wanna know what to expect so im trying to learn to figure out my options to make the best decision possible
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First, are you really wanting to spend 20,000-25,000? If so, that is going to be one bad mother cer.
Yes its pretty easy to swap the 1100 in later. That thread I linked in earlier will explain everything. It is the same as the SXR guys swapping in 1100's. Very common nowadays.
You can make a 800 run with the stock 1100's but it takes alot of work and reliability takes a big hit. When you go to swap in the 1100 you can use the stock sxr pump or get a mag pump. The mag pump would work with the 800 as well.
Gas mileage is going to depend on how hard you ride and what carbs. The 800 with stock carbs will last an hour -hour and a half if your running hard. Thats what im getting at least.
I see your in wisconsin. heres a bullet x2 1100 with mag pump and tripple 46 carbs. maybe you can hook up with him and see what its like http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=351902&highlight=iceracer
cer. Yes its pretty easy to swap the 1100 in later. That thread I linked in earlier will explain everything. It is the same as the SXR guys swapping in 1100's. Very common nowadays.
You can make a 800 run with the stock 1100's but it takes alot of work and reliability takes a big hit. When you go to swap in the 1100 you can use the stock sxr pump or get a mag pump. The mag pump would work with the 800 as well.
Gas mileage is going to depend on how hard you ride and what carbs. The 800 with stock carbs will last an hour -hour and a half if your running hard. Thats what im getting at least.
I see your in wisconsin. heres a bullet x2 1100 with mag pump and tripple 46 carbs. maybe you can hook up with him and see what its like http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=351902&highlight=iceracer