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And the current standings-off topic
Freestyle Addendum needs to be added to freestyle rules... imo
- Thread starter Jawbreaker
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Wakerider26
Peter Waldron -doing jetski tricks
- Location
- Alabama
AM-
Chris Langlais
Peter Waldron
George Kelly
Michael Petro
Johnny Leftly
Josh Craft
Phil Clemmons
Pro-
Jace Forest
Jason Stoyer
Daniel Martin
Michael Ratti
Chris Anyzeski
Jeremy Parr
Chris Langlais
Peter Waldron
George Kelly
Michael Petro
Johnny Leftly
Josh Craft
Phil Clemmons
Pro-
Jace Forest
Jason Stoyer
Daniel Martin
Michael Ratti
Chris Anyzeski
Jeremy Parr
Jawbreaker
Rick James Edition
- Location
- Music City, TN
I don't see where the judges would have anything to gain... Especially profit wise...
That's got to be the best turn out ever... Never seen that many competitors in freestyle.
Wakerider26
Peter Waldron -doing jetski tricks
- Location
- Alabama
Those are current overall standings. Not Hartwell standings. There were 12 freestylers in Hartwell. Twice as much as any other tour stop this season.
GIL
Power In The Hands Of Few
- Location
- Cullman AL
And these are the reasons I have a ski sitting in the garage collecting dust. IF you compete for points and prestige you could very well be dis-appointed. The ONLY thing I got out of competing was meeting a lot of great people and making new friends and spending time with old friends.
At 10-15k for a competitive ski I felt like the $/fun ratio was justified. Then came carbon fiber, stroker cranks, superbores, and lets not forget billet. I am 20k into a Superjet and don't have anything by todays standards. In AM legal comp now you need to be at the 30k mark to show up and not embarrass yourself right off the lake.
I ride with Peter Waldron and see the level of commitment both time and money he has made and it proves to me that the sport has long since passed me up by a long shot. The next issue is that scoring is so dam subjective. I use to LOVE seeing Parr ride on a RN doing a old school routine yet the judges didn't see it the way I did. Is there a fix? Yes ! Will it ever happen? Who knows. I am NOT dissing any of the judges past, present or future, but I think the PROs should score AMs and the AMs should score PROs and all should use a calculated score sheet that is public for all riders to see and live by.
With all that said, I really miss competing with all my friends and having fun, but the only way I can stay in the game is if they created a AM/oem hull class and that's called 2007. LOL
I will always have the memories!
At 10-15k for a competitive ski I felt like the $/fun ratio was justified. Then came carbon fiber, stroker cranks, superbores, and lets not forget billet. I am 20k into a Superjet and don't have anything by todays standards. In AM legal comp now you need to be at the 30k mark to show up and not embarrass yourself right off the lake.
I ride with Peter Waldron and see the level of commitment both time and money he has made and it proves to me that the sport has long since passed me up by a long shot. The next issue is that scoring is so dam subjective. I use to LOVE seeing Parr ride on a RN doing a old school routine yet the judges didn't see it the way I did. Is there a fix? Yes ! Will it ever happen? Who knows. I am NOT dissing any of the judges past, present or future, but I think the PROs should score AMs and the AMs should score PROs and all should use a calculated score sheet that is public for all riders to see and live by.
With all that said, I really miss competing with all my friends and having fun, but the only way I can stay in the game is if they created a AM/oem hull class and that's called 2007. LOL
I will always have the memories!
Philip Clemmons
Owner, P&P Performance
- Location
- Richmond, Va
Great idea......
OK, I’m not sure you guys really see the big picture here in judging these events?
From what I’m reading you just want a points system??? In reality, what you are asking for is only about 25% of what we are looking for in your performance? Did you just catch the key word here???
“Performance” as in, you are like a rock star up on a stage! Anyone can sing a song, But the true performers play to the crowd! Go Above and beyond to deliver a killer show!
As judges of your “Performance” (Routine) scoring is based on Trick, Execution, Presentation, Amplitude / degree of difficulty.
While you guys are out doing your warmups, we are in the tower having a meeting on what we are looking for? How it is scored? Types of tricks, Ect. Every judge has a clip board we takes notes on, count tricks, and do what we need to do to tally a score for any given rider. Every one of us on that panel is a rider, and knows first hand the degree of difficulty of the majority of the tricks! We have all been in your shoes at some point in our careers. We get it! By giving any given judge the openness to score it as they personally see it? You as Performers, are given the fairest critiquing possible. Add up scores from the Panel of judges, there’s your final score!
Bottom line, As “Performers” , Its up to you to impress us! Your scoring will reflect it!
As the saying goes………. “ Go Big! Or Go Home!
From what I’m reading you just want a points system??? In reality, what you are asking for is only about 25% of what we are looking for in your performance? Did you just catch the key word here???
“Performance” as in, you are like a rock star up on a stage! Anyone can sing a song, But the true performers play to the crowd! Go Above and beyond to deliver a killer show!
As judges of your “Performance” (Routine) scoring is based on Trick, Execution, Presentation, Amplitude / degree of difficulty.
While you guys are out doing your warmups, we are in the tower having a meeting on what we are looking for? How it is scored? Types of tricks, Ect. Every judge has a clip board we takes notes on, count tricks, and do what we need to do to tally a score for any given rider. Every one of us on that panel is a rider, and knows first hand the degree of difficulty of the majority of the tricks! We have all been in your shoes at some point in our careers. We get it! By giving any given judge the openness to score it as they personally see it? You as Performers, are given the fairest critiquing possible. Add up scores from the Panel of judges, there’s your final score!
Bottom line, As “Performers” , Its up to you to impress us! Your scoring will reflect it!
As the saying goes………. “ Go Big! Or Go Home!
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My view, not sure if the current system is right or could use improvement. That being said, a lot happens in a 2 minute run, so judges look at the score sheet for a second to make a note and can miss something. I'm not sure that I could score a routine under the current guidelines just for the simple fact that its a lot to take in within a short amount of time. Is there any replay currently in use so the judges could review a section they might have missed?
Aquaholic
World's Oldest Teenager
- Location
- San Diego, CA.
WOW...I've never heard this discussion before!
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
- Location
- St. Pete, FL
Tony hawk gives deductions to the points of the trick for repetition. It might be 1000, 900, 700, 400, 300, 250, etc.
No, the racing officials need to get with the times. The rules are stupid. A superjet can't have footholds during a race even though the tray of a sxr is 2-3" longer and wider? Stupid. My superjet that I also use for surf riding can't have a $40 flywheel lightening and still be limited legal? Stupid. Number of sponsons determined by the year of the ski? Stupid.
I understand that stock class racing is to keep the sport affordable, but racing can still be affordable with aftermarket skis. It's not that complicated.
Maximum bondrail width, max below bondrail width, max overall length, max tray length, max tray width, max engine size.
Amateur - 800cc max, pipe, head prop, ride plate, intake, non-powervalve, etc. No carbon hulls, etc. Hard to even say stock motors / pipe because they are just not available anymore. And stock racing is stupid anyway. A stock superjet vs a stock SXR is not a fair race anyway.
Pro open - Anything within a length, width, etc standard.
Amen. Huge aerials are destroying our sport just as much as stupid racing rules. I don't watch freestyle because I could never afford to do it. I'm a doer. I don't watch for entertainment alone. I watch competitions to learn things and set goals. This is why I love the Surf Style competition at the Daytona Freeride. Only competing the big boats is like only racing the pro class. How do people get there? How does young talent with shallow pockets get discovered? Big tricks draw crowds. A big freestyle company practices at our lake and people from the street stop to watch, but not one of those people I have talked to when stopping are actually buying anything from anyone. When they leave, that's it, no money in the sport, no new riders, nothing. (nothing against that company, they have been very nice to me). One time crowds does not make the sport.
There is a lot of money to be made on parts for people with little motors and longer hulls. There is a lot of draw for young people watching a $5000 ski in a competition as compared to a $30000 ski. If there are too many amateur riders to keep the crowd interested, do qualifiers and only let a limited amount of people perform for the crowd.
@Jr. if you have someone's ear, tell them it's a "go big or go home" kind of sport, and since going big is too expensive, we are all at home!!
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Jace Forest...BRAP!
- Location
- Lake Travis,Texas
I don't agree with this. I'm at a COMPETITION, with 2 minutes to show my tricks.
I'm not doing a show where I'm a performer.
What you said sounds exactly like what a company who would hire me to put on a show would say.
I shouldn't be the one to impress you, fist pumping and hamming up the crowd. My tricks should be what impresses you.
Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
It will probably hurt me in the future but I will not be one of those guys who can't hang with the top riders so instead, ride around all fast and intense pumping up the crowd to make up for it
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- painesville,ohio
It seems to me like this got a little off track. The initial comment was "let's mix it up a little". No one wants to back slide into hood fest of the 80's. Let's just see what else these modern marvels can do. I think we're coming up on the 10 year anniversary of the flat water backie; what will we be celebrating in 2024?