Aftermarket engine vs aftermarket hull

[bored&stroked]

I see tons of people going with aftermarket hulls then running 701 or 701 based engines in them. I don't seem to see a lot of people stuffing big aftermarket engines into stock superjet hulls. I haven't rode an aftermarket hull that I like as much as the superjet yet overall, so its got me thinking that's where I need to go eventually. But there has to be a reason I don't see it very often, right? So what gives?

 

[harrymank]

Surely it’s because the trend is to head toward a freestyle ski. Something lighter and shorter is more capable than a stock superjet so people buy a hull first and upgrade the engine, pump, and ect later. I say this because it’s how I’m doing it. Being able to get out of the water further is more achievable for a noob with a lighter hull that’s designed for it than more power in a stock superjet.

 

[G-Body]

For me it's reliability. I started with kawasakis then went to SN superjets, then I rode a superfreak. My first aftermarket hull was a full length superfreak badass. It will do everything a superjet does but better. I can get decent air, it turn subs better than my square, I can hood ride like it is a stocker. It is a ton lighter than a SN so the stock couch 61x with a coffman sizzler pulls like a freight train. Tops out at 49mph and generally rips. I couldn't tell you when I last changed the plugs, it burns 87 octane and doesn't care, requires almost no maintenance and is always ready for fun. Plus the tray is much more comfortable than a superjet.

If you like the way the superjet rides look for a full length carbon hull. A badass, xft fly x, wamiltons (sp?) or 24/7 carbon superjet copy. That being said there's nothing wrong with tossing a huge motor in a stock hull if you want a boat that is comfortable to ride all the time.

I think the main reason everyone is upgrading hulls first now is because they are available and a lot of people want a short hull for big air tricks. If I ride my wdk rip or superfreak circus for a while the badass feels bulky, heavy, and slow. Getting back on a SN feels like riding a yacht.

That being said the rip and circus only hold 2-3 gallons of fuel, ride nose up, put a lot more stain on you physically, and will toss you off if you try to ride wide open for more than a couple seconds.

 

[long beach local]

I see tons of people going with aftermarket hulls then running 701 or 701 based engines in them. I don't seem to see a lot of people stuffing big aftermarket engines into stock superjet hulls. I haven't rode an aftermarket hull that I like as much as the superjet yet overall, so its got me thinking that's where I need to go eventually. But there has to be a reason I don't see it very often, right? So what gives?

Maybe you need more time on aftermarket hulls I see you live in Az maybe take a test ride if I see you ? I have 2 awesome aftermarket hulls each are much much better than a superjet for there intended uses . They both have yamaha based 701-760 based motors which are very reliable cheap and plentiful good reasons to own if you ask me. My fullsize Badass is absolutely perfect in glassy surf conditions it handles like magic its so much fun I had superjets the Freak is just more fun makes shreading in the waves so damn easy. Riding around buoys carving turns etc the Proforce is like comparing a volkswagon to a porsche against a sj sorry it just dosnt compare. Even when I run a sn motor in it 61x 701 it rips probably alittle faster than a stock SXR . Anyways my opinion is different the aftermarket hulls work really well for Me using smaller engines the handling and hookup is SO GOOD that I dont need alot of horsepower to have fun.

 

[TheBuzzard]

you cant flatwater backflip a stock hull and that's what everybody really thinks they want to do.
you cant even flip a stock hull off a fair sized wake. an AM hull is cheaper and easier than a big motor once you add pipe , carbs , ignition, pump and everything else that's required for a big motor.
if I had a choice between stock hull with 1000cc or quality AM hull with a smaller motor that ripped, I would take the AM hull setup. I think its a lot more fun. right now I ride a hurricane with a ported to the moon 760 and it screams. if it was in a better hull, it would be all I really needed.

 

[clouse22]

you cant flatwater backflip a stock hull and that's what everybody really thinks they want to do.
you cant even flip a stock hull off a fair sized wake. an AM hull is cheaper and easier than a big motor once you add pipe , carbs , ignition, pump and everything else that's required for a big motor.
if I had a choice between stock hull with 1000cc or quality AM hull with a smaller motor that ripped, I would take the AM hull setup. I think its a lot more fun. right now I ride a hurricane with a ported to the moon 760 and it screams. if it was in a better hull, it would be all I really needed.

Couldn’t agree more. The biggest reason to move to an aftermarket hull is the huge savings in weight which in turn makes the smaller motor feel much more powerful (rightfully so)

My first move was taking a mostly stock sxr power plant and moving all the components into a EME Q8 and it felt like I added 100ccs under the hood.

I always tell people now the first mod they should do to their ski is to get a hull. Now there are so many options for people to get into to suit their riding needs.

 

[bored&stroked]

I really like the flatwater turn ability of the superjet. Even my ex's SN with front tubbies felt like crap compared to mine, although ride plates were different. I've rode my buddies rickter. The light weight plus 900cc powervalve motor were overwhelming honestly. Plus wasn't that comfy going across the lake, and I chase boats all day long. I also rode another friends who knows what [I think eme] like 6yrs ago. I like the carbon superjet idea. Same hull but lighter weight would be great.

 

[clouse22]

I really like the flatwater turn ability of the superjet. Even my ex's SN with front tubbies felt like crap compared to mine, although ride plates were different. I've rode my buddies rickter. The light weight plus 900cc powervalve motor were overwhelming honestly. Plus wasn't that comfy going across the lake, and I chase boats all day long. I also rode another friends who knows what [I think eme] like 6yrs ago. I like the carbon superjet idea. Same hull but lighter weight would be great.

Sounds to me like you need to take a superfreak badass 4.3 hull for a spin. IMO its the perfect boat chaser/all around hull.

 

[Quinc]

I really like the flatwater turn ability of the superjet. Even my ex's SN with front tubbies felt like crap compared to mine, although ride plates were different. I've rode my buddies rickter. The light weight plus 900cc powervalve motor were overwhelming honestly. Plus wasn't that comfy going across the lake, and I chase boats all day long. I also rode another friends who knows what [I think eme] like 6yrs ago. I like the carbon superjet idea. Same hull but lighter weight would be great.

Just like riding a 550 and SJ it takes a few days of riding to get used to it.

 

[Roseand]

Aftermarket hulls are great because you're able to throw in a small motor and do things that are impossible on a superjet. Doing 360s, flips etc is exhilarating. Having your small motor feel like a monster in a smaller hull is a cool feeling. They're more agile, pop off even the smallest wakes etc.
This is assuming a relatively flatwater based hull.

I've had a setup where my throttle and trim lever were just backflip buttons. I could flip without even thinking about it.
People keep asking why I just sold my php.. Truth be told, i don't need that kind of money invested to have fun. Going around in circles doing flips gets boring after a while.
Maybe having a 40k setup that can throw 50 combos in a row would have me feeling differently but my absolute favorite time on a ski was chasing boats and doing nose stabs on my 701 square.
I gutted my square 5 years ago to build my rip and am in the process of rebuilding my square for this summer and I couldn't be more stoked!
This does NOT mean I'm dissing my rip, ive had so much fun on it!!! I still love riding it but it is solely a freestyle ski. I'm very excited to drop down to a simpler motor and nail flips off of boat wakes. Much more exhilarating than a flatwater flip by far!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is just my perspective based on having a complete flatwater hull and someone who rides alone most of the time. If I had a badass or similar hull I quite possibly wouldn't care if I had a superjet to ride.

To the OP
It's completely okay if you choose to stay with a superjet
Also, getting an aftermarket hull and higher end performance parts doesn't come without its challenges either.
The saying "custom parts, custom problems" couldn't be more true for the stand-up world!

 

[kevbo]

A/M hulls are all short for flips and built to handle side landings. You can roll a SJ but everyone I know caved in the side learning how to do it. There would be no market for A/M hulls if people didn't think flips were cool.

 

[Half flip95]

900cc twin superjet, R&D cast cylinder, stock stroke. That is what rius used to run. I almost did it, but the guy who would of built it gave me the cold hard fact that it just wont last long.
In freetyle / freeride you are only using short burts of throttle, but when you put one in a SJ and hold it clamped at 7600+rpm you end up with shortened maintence intervals.

 

[DAG]

I put a dasa 1100 in a SN SJ and regreated every second of it. Big power needs a pump tunnel designed to process the water. Go AM hull first

 

[Big Kahuna]

900cc twin superjet, R&D cast cylinder, stock stroke. That is what rius used to run. I almost did it, but the guy who would of built it gave me the cold hard fact that it just wont last long.
In freetyle / freeride you are only using short burts of throttle, but when you put one in a SJ and hold it clamped at 7600+rpm you end up with shortened maintence intervals.

900cc on a stock stroke?

 

[Jacob hates jet skis]

I’ve had pre 08 sj’s and ridden a 2019 sj. Bone stock it feels heavy compared to my aftermarket hull ski with a 760. I personally think that aftermarket hull skis are easier to ride for a younger/smaller person especially when it comes to jumping. A sj just feels like it smashes down when aftermarket hulls feel smoother when they hit the water. Not to mention the constant grabbing of the 08+ sj’s sponsons is almost unbearable at slow speeds on calm water. My ski has front sponsons too and I don’t feel it at all. I’ve also ridden an 07 sj with $10,000 put into motor work and although it was a good amount of power it still felt heavy and not worth all the money put into a stock hull. If it were my choice I’d go with aftermarket hull > stock hull with lots of power every day of the week and twice on sunday

 

[Half flip95]

900cc on a stock stroke?

Yea they had a sleeve that started at 90mm iirc

 

[bored&stroked]

I put a dasa 1100 in a SN SJ and regreated every second of it. Big power needs a pump tunnel designed to process the water.

Now see there is something along the lines I was looking for and forgot to consider.

 

[DAG]

Dont

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Yourself

 

[Vortex]

900cc twin superjet, R&D cast cylinder, stock stroke. That is what rius used to run. I almost did it, but the guy who would of built it gave me the cold hard fact that it just wont last long.
In freetyle / freeride you are only using short burts of throttle, but when you put one in a SJ and hold it clamped at 7600+rpm you end up with shortened maintence intervals.

8mm stroker at 85mm is another good option. Have ridden one set up like that and to say it ripped was quite the understatement. Beach starts were crazy...Takes off so fast you barely have time to get in the tray.

Also rius was not using a stock hull, it was a longer carbon hull and that would make it easier to handle the power

 

[bored&stroked]

Also rius was not using a stock hull, it was a longer carbon hull and that would make it easier to handle the power

Pretty sure Ty has that or one of those ski's here in phoenix