B-pipe advice

[fx1mark]

I looked through some of my old magazines to see if I could find performance specs for the FP fx1 pipe but this was all I could find. My recollection was that FP claimed 18 hp gain with the fx1 pipe.

 

[jpswift1]

I looked through some of my old magazines to see if I could find performance specs for the FP fx1 pipe but this was all I could find. My recollection was that FP claimed 18 hp gain with the fx1 pipe.

Thanks for posting this, Mark! I always love seeing old literature like this.

 

[Stavissimo]

I love my fx1 bpipe. Hard to track down but worth it! Although il never forgive myself for trading away a new tnt superstock chamber, ran both on my fx1.

 

[fx1mark]

I bought my 94 fx1 in 97 from the original owner. He already had the pipe on it but it had a split in it. I had it welded but it split again. I called factory pipe to see if they could fix it. They told me to return it and shipped me a brand new chamber. The new chamber had a brace inside that was not on the original pipe. That was the fix for the chambers splitting. I was pretty happy with their customer service.

 

[Snowmobiler]

This is what Mark Baxter told me years ago. It was proven on the factory pipe dyno,

So just some more of my sisters, cousins, pervy uncle type of hearsay with no actual testing, evidence or the unheard of in the jetski world, a legit dyno run to back up what you type on the ol interwebs type of dyno proof.

I'll take your word for it. Thanks!

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[Snowmobiler]

I am amazed at the lack of actual, real, backup of any claims made by the jetski aftermarket!?!?

I see how costly some of these heavy weight, billet, bling engines sell for. And while I'm sure some make a tremendous amount of power in the correct rpm range. It is mind-boggling how much they cost with no real data on them other than videos or if your lucky, personal experience.

Other 2 stroke powersports make far more power vs. Engine cc and the manufacturers put out real data along with multiple independent sources performing dyno runs. Jetski world - nothing?

Why is billet so sought after? Lightweight wins everytime? And powervalves only seem to be on these overpriced, relic, no real innovation aftermarket engines?

The pipe market is just as mind boggling.

20 years the yami platform has been out and in its basic form it is still the main platform being used. Miniscule innovation in the 'cdi' category and for licorices sake were all still turning screws on the same damn carburetors????



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[waxhead]

So just some more of my sisters, cousins, pervy uncle type of hearsay with no actual testing, evidence or the unheard of in the jetski world, a legit dyno run to back up what you type on the ol interwebs type of dyno proof.

I'll take your word for it. Thanks!

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Do you have any idea who Mark Baxter is ??

 

[fastgtfairlane]

The Mod is 2hp down on the limited
the limited is 2 hp down on the fx1 chamber
The fx1 revs on harder
The limited is about the same in the mid but just signs off a little earlier
The mod is a lemon

So what is that much different between the fx and mod chamber that gives the fx a 4hp increase over the mod?

 

[Storbeck]

The Mod is 2hp down on the limited
the limited is 2 hp down on the fx1 chamber
The fx1 revs on harder
The limited is about the same in the mid but just signs off a little earlier
The mod is a lemon

Thing is, doesn't all of this go right out the window as soon as you run porting that is different than however these were tested, or adjust the water in the pipe any different than how these were testing, or a different ignition curve, even a different pump load. The general trend of longer pipe/lower power band, shorter pipe/higher power band should still be true, but the actual number would be something completely different.

 

[vcolf]

Thing is, doesn't all of this go right out the window as soon as you run porting that is different than however these were tested, or adjust the water in the pipe any different than how these were testing, or a different ignition curve, even a different pump load. The general trend of longer pipe/lower power band, shorter pipe/higher power band should still be true, but the actual number would be something completely different.

Agreed, but I have no real data to share other than my vague memory that we ran the mod pipe on ported superstocks over the limited back when 2 strokes ruled racing. Limited was definitely better on a stock motor.


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[kevbo]

I am amazed at the lack of actual, real, backup of any claims made by the jetski aftermarket!?!?

I see how costly some of these heavy weight, billet, bling engines sell for. And while I'm sure some make a tremendous amount of power in the correct rpm range. It is mind-boggling how much they cost with no real data on them other than videos or if your lucky, personal experience.

Other 2 stroke powersports make far more power vs. Engine cc and the manufacturers put out real data along with multiple independent sources performing dyno runs. Jetski world - nothing?

Why is billet so sought after? Lightweight wins everytime? And powervalves only seem to be on these overpriced, relic, no real innovation aftermarket engines?

The pipe market is just as mind boggling.

20 years the yami platform has been out and in its basic form it is still the main platform being used. Miniscule innovation in the 'cdi' category and for licorices sake were all still turning screws on the same damn carburetors????



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All skis have a built in dyno, if you add power they will turn more rpm and go faster. Carbs work well because the air density is similar for nearly all riders. Not many people going for high mountain sub zero rides an a jetski. I could ride my whole life and never need to adjust a carb. No wet pipe is all that great and few riders have the ability to evaluate one with any accuracy. I have magazine ads of the new FPP Yamaha pipe making 12HP, which is realistic. Three months later Westcoast claimed 18HP for their new waveblaster pipe and FPP changer their ad to match. This is all about selling something shiny to a kid. Most will be long gone after a year or two. It is the participant turnover rate that keeps overall knowledge very low.

 

[Storbeck]

Also, marketing wank goes across all powersports. Plenty of snowmobile pipes and especially silencers that have a number in their advertisement that is pure fantasy.

 

[waxhead]

Thing is, doesn't all of this go right out the window as soon as you run porting that is different than however these were tested, or adjust the water in the pipe any different than how these were testing, or a different ignition curve, even a different pump load. The general trend of longer pipe/lower power band, shorter pipe/higher power band should still be true, but the actual number would be something completely different.

Of course it does, but that’s the same with every part on a jetski. The question was which chamber to use, so those were the facts based on the engine they tested which from memory was a stock Superjet engine. Is one pipe going to make more power over another on completely different engines well that will come down to the setup of each engine and the tuner and the prop in the ski. Personally I would take the fx chamber over any chamber in the range. Other people may find different. Personally I, waiting with great anticipation for the huge advances that people keep saying we should do but never actually do it themselves. I can’t wait to see what they produce

 

[waxhead]

I'm eternally grateful to you Waxhead for bringing the reliable programmable Charging or Total Loss Zeeltronic CDI.

That was a huge step forward in the Jetski World and just in time as MSD no longer makes their Digital Total Loss CDI.

Also like the low profile Factory Pipe Exhaust Manifold Bolts.

Looking forward to the Waxhead SuperJet Pipe. This will be another huge contribution.

Keep up the phenomenal Work!

Thank You

Thanks Man.
That's nice to hear we will continue to make progress on new parts as much as we can

 

[Snowmobiler]

Do you have any idea who Mark Baxter is ??

I have no idea. Fill me in if you so please.

 

[Snowmobiler]

This is a golden opportunity for you to show these Jetski Aftermarkets how to make a Top Shelf Product and back-it up with Data and real Horsepower-to-Water Results.

If you like a challenge, developing advanced high performance Jetski Parts are where it's at. Jetskis are the toughest of the Two Strokes for reliable big performance gains.

Start with:

1) Carburetors
2) CDI
3) Exhaust Pipe

Make it Happen!

I wish I had the resources to do so.

It's really too bad Yamaha went anti 2-stroke several years back. They could have if they wanted brought a high horsepower, lightweight, modern 2-stroke that is clean burning and could be made to clear epa regs to the game. The technology is there they just suddenly felt the need to completely abandon all 2 strokes.

 

[Snowmobiler]

All skis have a built in dyno, if you add power they will turn more rpm and go faster. Carbs work well because the air density is similar for nearly all riders. Not many people going for high mountain sub zero rides an a jetski. I could ride my whole life and never need to adjust a carb. No wet pipe is all that great and few riders have the ability to evaluate one with any accuracy. I have magazine ads of the new FPP Yamaha pipe making 12HP, which is realistic. Three months later Westcoast claimed 18HP for their new waveblaster pipe and FPP changer their ad to match. This is all about selling something shiny to a kid. Most will be long gone after a year or two. It is the participant turnover rate that keeps overall knowledge very low.

I understand the tuning part but there is still much to be gained just by compensating for air density and temp changes.

You are exactly right about the shiny billet bling. Looks seem to be more important than performance to many people across all kinds of different powersports, automotive, recreational tools, etc.

 

[Snowmobiler]

Also, marketing wank goes across all powersports. Plenty of snowmobile pipes and especially silencers that have a number in their advertisement that is pure fantasy.

I agree fully. Unfortunately the manipulated data some provide is always going happen. There are at least a couple non biased shops that dont produce product, giving us real world data.

These jetski pipe magazine graphs that pop up here and there with no actual data other than a squiggly line in a box with just rpm and hp cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Snowmobiler]

Of course it does, but that’s the same with every part on a jetski. The question was which chamber to use, so those were the facts based on the engine they tested which from memory was a stock Superjet engine. Is one pipe going to make more power over another on completely different engines well that will come down to the setup of each engine and the tuner and the prop in the ski. Personally I would take the fx chamber over any chamber in the range. Other people may find different. Personally I, waiting with great anticipation for the huge advances that people keep saying we should do but never actually do it themselves. I can’t wait to see what they produce

If you aren't on top of tuning your carbs and actually know what your doing, your little 2-4 hp between the three pipes is completely irrelevant.

 

[Snowmobiler]

Thanks Man.
That's nice to hear we will continue to make progress on new parts as much as we can

I agree! Good on you for having the resources to produce hopefully some legit parts geared for real use rather than something that just looks shiny.