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Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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corwin said:
Raider flywheel cover + stator = $58
Gp 800 flywheel= $18
760 Box = $15
Zeel cdi = $355 + $75 usb cable
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$521.00 Not including any freight, assuming you found those parts on ebay. And if from seperate people, you would have had at lease $40.00 in shipping, so now your at $561.00. $18.00 for a flywheel is cheap, most are gonna go for around $75.00. This is not a Cheap Upgrade in my book. Cheaper than MSD total loss yes...... Is it better than an Enhancer, Yes, but is it worth it? I dont see it. But that my opinion.
 
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Storbeck

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Minnesota
The thing is it leaves you with a complete 62t system to sell off, used to be you could easily come out dollars ahead going from a 62t to a 64x electrical system, I'm not sure if that's still the case with the zeel getting more popular. Then the zeel itself costs less than an msd.

I can understand somebody not wanting to swap out thier entire electrical system though.
 
Roseand

Roseand

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corwin said:
Anyone know if the 760 box will fit on a cold fusion bracket? Like mount up the same as the 701 Ebox
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Big Kahuna said:
$521.00 Not including any freight, assuming you found those parts on ebay. And if from seperate people, you would have had at lease $40.00 in shipping, so now your at $561.00. $18.00 for a flywheel is cheap, most are gonna go for around $75.00. This is not a Cheap Upgrade in my book. Cheaper than MSD total loss yes...... Is it better than an Enhancer, Yes, but is it worth it? I dont see it. But that my opinion.
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Do you have stock in MSD or something? I've never met anyone that advises against one of the best bangs for your buck you can do as much as you do. You don't even run an enhancer and keep praising them! All the claims of them can be backed up by dozens of riders, multiple engine builders, and how many others are out there on superbikes.
Also, they are not necessarily more expensive when you factor in the price of selling your own electronics. You'd come out better than an enhancer if you play it right. Seen plenty of clean 760 full setups for around 200-300$ this winter. Not to mention a much better longterm investment and much, much better performance.
Worst case scenario.. If your mindset is 100$ more is going to make or break an excellent upgrade for a hobby, work a few more hours and enjoy great performance and a great long term investment. I can see not wanting to get rid of nice clean electronics on a newer superjet, but the failure rate of any part of clean, sealed 760 system off of an old couch is pretty darn low. Not to mention you don't even need to care about the charging component of it if you want to run total loss.

I think I speak for anyone who's made the switch from an enhancer. An improvement? Yes. Worth 300$ for a much highly likelihood of failure and marginal performance? In my opinion, definitely not.
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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Roseand said:
Do you have stock in MSD or something? I've never met anyone that advises against one of the best bangs for your buck you can do as much as you do. You don't even run an enhancer and keep praising them! All the claims of them can be backed up by dozens of riders, multiple engine builders, and how many others are out there on superbikes.
Also, they are not necessarily more expensive when you factor in the price of selling your own electronics. You'd come out better than an enhancer if you play it right. Seen plenty of clean 760 full setups for around 200-300$ this winter. Not to mention a much better longterm investment and much, much better performance.
Worst case scenario.. If your mindset is 100$ more is going to make or break an excellent upgrade for a hobby, work a few more hours and enjoy great performance and a great long term investment. I can see not wanting to get rid of nice clean electronics on a newer superjet, but the failure rate of any part of clean, sealed 760 system off of an old couch is pretty darn low. Not to mention you don't even need to care about the charging component of it if you want to run total loss.

I think I speak for anyone who's made the switch from an enhancer. An improvement? Yes. Worth 300$ for a much highly likelihood of failure and marginal performance? In my opinion, definitely not.
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Rosie, I ran an enhancer for almost 20 years...... Would install mine tomorrow if need be. Only reason I am not running one now is I bought the electronics that was already hooked up to the motor I bought 2 years ago... I am glad you are sold on the Zeel setup, But honestly, you do not stick with any one setup for any length of time so for you to talk about longevity is ironic. Bottom line, for me, the enhancer has worked well and have had no issues with them. Again, just posting my opinion. I am terribly sorry that my opinion does not work with yours.
 
ClumpDigger

ClumpDigger

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Redwood Falls, Minnesota
Big Kahuna said:
$521.00 Not including any freight, assuming you found those parts on ebay. And if from seperate people, you would have had at lease $40.00 in shipping, so now your at $561.00. $18.00 for a flywheel is cheap, most are gonna go for around $75.00. This is not a Cheap Upgrade in my book. Cheaper than MSD total loss yes...... Is it better than an Enhancer, Yes, but is it worth it? I dont see it. But that my opinion.
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those prices included shipping, the cheapest MSD I found was $315. And JRs price was with a timing curve for my set up not sure if that increases the price but I’m assuming so. I bought a new msd for my fx1 and was a little underwhelmed by its performance and the only adjustability being the rev limit so I thought I’d give this a shot and have a little side by side comparison. Being I have a relatively small displacement motor (compared whats in most rips) I wanted to get all I could out of it timing wise and it seems like this is the way to go for that. Is it worth it I’m not sure but I’ll learn with my wallet I guess lol.
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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corwin said:
those prices included shipping, the cheapest MSD I found was $315. And JRs price was with a timing curve for my set up not sure if that increases the price but I’m assuming so. I bought a new msd for my fx1 and was a little underwhelmed by its performance and the only adjustability being the rev limit so I thought I’d give this a shot and have a little side by side comparison. Being I have a relatively small displacement motor (compared whats in most rips) I wanted to get all I could out of it timing wise and it seems like this is the way to go for that. Is it worth it I’m not sure but I’ll learn with my wallet I guess lol.
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You will be happy with the Zeel.
 
Roseand

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corwin said:
those prices included shipping, the cheapest MSD I found was $315. And JRs price was with a timing curve for my set up not sure if that increases the price but I’m assuming so. I bought a new msd for my fx1 and was a little underwhelmed by its performance and the only adjustability being the rev limit so I thought I’d give this a shot and have a little side by side comparison. Being I have a relatively small displacement motor (compared whats in most rips) I wanted to get all I could out of it timing wise and it seems like this is the way to go for that. Is it worth it I’m not sure but I’ll learn with my wallet I guess lol.
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You'll be happy with your setup in your rip for sure. I ran a ported 61x top end/unported bottom with a single 44 and a 144mm pump for a couple years with both a b pipe and a laydown. Plenty playful and flatwater flippable.
 
hornedogg79

hornedogg79

dodgin' bass boats
You will not save money going with a b-pipe. After you buy an aluminum waterbox and all the hoses you will have spent enough to get a pfp. And you'll be making less power where you need it most. Msd enhancer works ok but I would much rather have a programmable ignition. Timing is way more crucial than a few ounces off your flywheel.

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ClumpDigger

ClumpDigger

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Redwood Falls, Minnesota
I can’t even find a used b pipe for sale, I bought the rad dudes exhaust tube but found out it’s too small for the metal thru hull tubing on the rip so another thing on the list to figure out is how to make that work
 
Roseand

Roseand

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corwin said:
I can’t even find a used b pipe for sale, I bought the rad dudes exhaust tube but found out it’s too small for the metal thru hull tubing on the rip so another thing on the list to figure out is how to make that work
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Straight 2.5 inch tubing works just fine and is cheap. Just make sure to add a support underneath it towards the engine side to act like a bulkhead does on a superjet for support.
Laydown pipe isn't a bad idea either. Just raise the waferbox up and add a exhaust flap to avoid water injestion. Pfp ran wet is the most reliable.(i did have to dent mine to clear the side a bit though but all pipes are made a little different) The extra room it gives you to work is amazing.
Pretty sure I remember bottom screw of b pipe is horrid to get to with the rip
 
Quinc

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corwin said:
I can’t even find a used b pipe for sale, I bought the rad dudes exhaust tube but found out it’s too small for the metal thru hull tubing on the rip so another thing on the list to figure out is how to make that work
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Welcome to the joys of building an a/m hull. You will come out a better person when it is finished though. :)
 
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