Best oil for ported 760

So i have read alot of threads regarding this for an ordinary 701 engine. However the 760 runs much hotter and i am thinking if the tcw3 oils really are the best ones for the application?
In Sweden it is both cheaper and easier to get a fully synthetic 2 stroke oil for motorcycles api tc / Jaso than a mineral tcw3 oil.

A fully synthetic tcw3 oil is a rip off...

What are your opinions on this?
 

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Kevbo: it feels like the mineral based tcw3 has a really low burn point. A 760 ported, head, pipe, lightened flywheel get really hot... The coolant water is hot...nothing like a 701 since i have one of each

Ocd: did you get that part in the manual? The part where Yamaha wrote.... Well If you happen to stroke, change or what the hell... Swap the engine to any displacement you should still use our recommended oil, spark plugs and gasoline.... It doesn't matter if the spark plugs is to short, you use it anyway.... Because that is what we say........hate to say it, but the European rewrites of the manual must have eaten that part
 

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Ocd: did you get that part in the manual? The part where Yamaha wrote.... Well If you happen to stroke, change or what the hell... Swap the engine to any displacement you should still use our recommended oil, spark plugs and gasoline.... It doesn't matter if the spark plugs is to short, you use it anyway.... Because that is what we say........hate to say it, but the European rewrites of the manual must have eaten that part

No, I got it from seeing this exact same flucking question asked on the forum every other flucking week and then seeing a different recommendation from every single flucking person, none of which have any more of a flucking clue than the next! And if that's not bad enough, there's always one more guy, who says he read all those flucking threads, but yet still insists on starting yet another flucking thread, asking the same flucking question, and, get this...actually expects to somehow get a different flucking answer! Like he magically found a way to word the flucking question that maybe, this time, finally, we will weed through all the flucking BS and come to a definitive answer. There is no flucking definitive answer! Use what you like the smell of, can afford, have access to, doesn't give you a rash, whatever! If it carries a TCW3 rating, it's more than adequate for 99.9% of riders. If you have an engine builder, go with whatever he recommends. Just please for the love of all things holy, stop asking this flucking question here and actually expect an educated answer.

Whew, that felt good to finally get that out, lol. I actually composed that rant bit by bit over the last 10 years of watching the discussion on oil repeat itself like groundhog day, I just figured it was nicer to post the batman meme. Sorry it had to land on you Per, nothing personal so I hope you don't take it that way. :p

Personally, I use Quicksilver Premium Plus at 32:1 in both my ported 760 and in my SS865. Most say it's a cheap oil and it is but my engines are spotless when I tear them down. It's a good middle of the road semi synthetic at a very reasonable price, (around here anyways).

My top choice of oil for high performance 2-stroke applications is the Bombardier line of XPS synthetic and semi synthetic oils. Bombardier gets more hp/cc than any other manufacturer and they achieve this by designing the best oil on the planet. That being said, I don't believe our Yamaha engines, even bored and stroked, are even close to requiring this class of an oil.

Here's a good read on oil.
http://www.sea-doo.net/the-late-great-oil-debate/2015/04/
 
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Thanks guys
OCD: None taken, i know what you mean from several car forums... When you have been around for some time you have seen it all. But i have actually not managed to find any info outside the regular 701. A decent semi-Syn will do just fine then, nice to hear you have checked the engine aswell after running for a while.

Thanks for the posts
 

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The engine in use rarely gets mentioned in those threads, nor the riding style which is why I find them so frustrating but I assure you, the guys posting are running anywhere from stock 650's to 16mm strokers and alot of 760's or punched up 701's. Typically it's the standard variation of TCW3 options right up until the guys chime in with anything from 3-16mm strokers. Those are the guys who move up and start running the Klotz or Benol.
 
Interesting article, From the seadoo forum. That pretty much sorted the 2 stroke oil jungle out. Tcw3 vs api tc .thanks, been looking for something like that
 
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I may not have a clue but I do have many observations over the past 25 years. I would not use tcw3 in a modified sitdown or a racing standup because of ring sticking over time although mixing at 4% will usually prevent that. Corrosion protection of tcw3 is very good, most old pwc engines are full of rust, something to consider. Burn whatever makes you feel good, I'm still working through cases of $6.99/gal citgo that I got years ago.
 
I know why you guys are using tcw3 oils....thats seriously cheap. Our cheapest runs at 10$ for 0.25 gallon. And thats for a mineral...an Api TC fully syn goes for 9$ equal amount so that made me wonder...before this thread.... why an api tc wouldnt work instead. But that is something i have gotten an answer to now. Thanks alot all.


I may not have a clue but I do have many observations over the past 25 years. I would not use tcw3 in a modified sitdown or a racing standup because of ring sticking over time although mixing at 4% will usually prevent that. Corrosion protection of tcw3 is very good, most old pwc engines are full of rust, something to consider. Burn whatever makes you feel good, I'm still working through cases of $6.99/gal citgo that I got years ago.
 

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I forgot!
Amsoil interceptor is api-TC oil. I have used it for years on my motor that I bought used. I have unknown hours on the motor but I have been running it for 5 seasons with no power valve problems and engine internals on the top end and bottom end look great. ( 2 seasons ago I pulled the head, last season I replaced the crank seals) Only problem is the brown colour so I always stick to a routine so I don't forget to put the oil in when buying fresh gas.


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I really have no idea but running any tcw3 oil is fine on a Yamaha they have huge bearings on the crank and the load is down due to this,
Also the big bore big stroke engines are free ride engines and never get time to build any heat or load
 
Great to know that both API-TC and TCW3 works fine. I shouldn´t really worry but watercraft have a tendency to break in my hands (only 2 stroke) although never a Yamaha and i guess not because of the oil either. But engine failures always comes in bad spots on vacations so better be safe than sorry.
 
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