Super Jet Bogging Bogging

Location
KSA
After jumps and at anytime the ski nose is lifted upward, the ski start to bog and I have to give it time to accelerate again.

Does the fuel/water filter position affect? I have a duel 44 carbs installed and the filters are located beside and parallel to the carbs.
 
Without more details to know if this is a new or chronic problem it is only a guessing game but if new, Check to see that a fuel pickup line inside the tank isn’t broken part way off and sucking air when exposed by nose up
 
After jumps and at anytime the ski nose is lifted upward, the ski start to bog and I have to give it time to accelerate again.

Does the fuel/water filter position affect? I have a duel 44 carbs installed and the filters are located beside and parallel to the carbs.

Could try running without the fuel filters and see if the problem goes away. If it does, then get new fuel filters. So simple to try, worth eliminating this possibility.
Could be an exhaust leak as well. Although not sure why fumes would get into the carbs only when nose up... but you never know.
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
How much fuel in the tank?
Bad Plug Wires (When ski is flat and running they make connection, but when jumping they are moving and loosing connection? - Does not explain the tail stands)
Check Fuel Pickups If Stiff, and have low fuel level they could be losing their suction (provided these are hose pickups with clunks).
 
Location
KSA
Without more details to know if this is a new or chronic problem it is only a guessing game but if new, Check to see that a fuel pickup line inside the tank isn’t broken part way off and sucking air when exposed by nose up

The same issue even when installing BLOWSION duel fuel pick up and I return back again to OEM with an extension.

Could try running without the fuel filters and see if the problem goes away. If it does, then get new fuel filters. So simple to try, worth eliminating this possibility.
Could be an exhaust leak as well. Although not sure why fumes would get into the carbs only when nose up... but you never know.

Both fuel filters are new and I just had the off season maintenance that included all gaskets.

Fuel petcock deleted?

YES.

How much fuel in the tank?
Bad Plug Wires (When ski is flat and running they make connection, but when jumping they are moving and loosing connection? - Does not explain the tail stands)
Check Fuel Pickups If Stiff, and have low fuel level they could be losing their suction (provided these are hose pickups with clunks).

even with a full tank. and the spark plug coil is new OEM.
 
Location
KSA
I will try to re-locate the filters. First will try after the pick ups directly so the filters are perpendicular to the carbs. Then will try as the stock location.

If anyone has any comment please share it.


Thank you all
 
I will try to re-locate the filters. First will try after the pick ups directly so the filters are perpendicular to the carbs. Then will try as the stock location.

If anyone has any comment please share it.


Thank you all

If you test and have the same problem with the fuel filters removed... no need to do this.
 
So, what do I have to consider if the problem still exist?

This would tell you that your fuel filters and their line position is not your primary problem. What’s next? Noting that your problem only happens after nose up conditions.. what changes in this condition that is relevant? 1. The relative angle of gravity... 2. the location of fluids.
What causes bogging? Typically too much or too little of fuel or air.
Maybe these are obvious, but does help narrow down what to consider.. and what not to.
Kind of a stretch but could be some particulate inside your carbs. If not done so already a next step, could be to clean out every crevice inside the carbs with carb cleaner / air pressure. A rebuild may be a good idea while in there.
 
Location
KSA
What is the jetting in those 44mm carbs? High and Low Speed Jets, Needle Valve size and Spring grams? High and Low Speed Screw settings?

FYI, some bogging will happen if the exhaust outlet is plugged full of water during vertical nose-up position with the transom continuously under water. That is why some freestyle skis have two separate exhaust outlets. Blocking the exhaust will create a rich condition.

Also, temporarily submerging/submarining the ski will also result in a rich condition (bog) by reducing/cutting the air supply/flow to the engine bay. Me thinks this will also cause the Needle Valves to stay open a little longer (thus flowing more fuel = rich condition). Similar to having a very restrictive Air Intake Box.

At any rate, how long are you submerging your ski? Is it "Water World" long or just a quick shallow dip? How long are your Tail Spins, is it just one pogo-pop or are you going around in circles more than 5 times?

Try a stock ski and do the same subs and tailspins and see if that ski bogs about the same.

Also note that most Trick Skis have dual Bilge Pumps to pump out water fast plus other quick drain systems.

It would be good to hear from experienced Free-Stylers about how much bogging they normally experience in their stunt skis.
The ski is perfect in the straight position (start, accelerating with various throttle opening and WOT) without any bog even in the water world it is good. What is happening exactly, only during the nose up (tail stand and jumps). So if I have a carb tuning issue I should see some symptoms at different conditions, but why only during nose-up?

What I start to think about is the waterbox as it is not mounted well. I will try this and come back again.

Thank you JC
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Not that this will fix your problem, but I went from 93 octane to 4ga 89 ethanol free mixed with 1ga of 110 race gas. My ski has never ran better. Like, way noticeably better. I also use yamalube 45:1 and sta-bil storage. I couldn't be more please with how much crisper it runs. I just ran the tank almost empty and put in the new mix. Ski was like a different machine before I had even used a quarter tank.
 
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