That’s good to know. Makes things slightly difficult if you decide to just change one component though
Bun vs xs engines
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What's your secret on how to contact XScream? I'm a long standing customer of them (Bought 4 motors/cylinder kits from) and get a full mailbox when I call.
Big Kahuna
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Find every build thread on here. There are plenty. I have 2 threads, 1 on a Superfreak, other on an new Edge Build....... This is what makes this site better than any FB Page. You can go look and easily find!
Big Kahuna
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Seems like they are boarder line done................
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If so that's really sad. I need sleeves and pistons for my SS900 (hens teeth)
Big Kahuna
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I hope not. Just do not hear much out of them these days. Dont even know the last time they built a hull.
hornedogg79
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Sad indeed. I have some clean used 90mm pistons here. Maybe everyone's favorite youtube machinist/dyno tester could make sleeves? Did you try emailing xscream?
I remember that year at world finals when lee stone rode the Japanese ski at body beach. Everyone was like "Holy $#!+", including Lee. He's run the Bun since.
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The last time I talked with Rick, (BTW a real nice and knowledgeable guy) was about a year ago to return my SS865 cylinder they had sitting around for over 2 years...waiting for sleeves. I sold that setup here on the X cheap to pay for some vet bills. (Not whining, just sayin).
I've got some misc used pistons too. Nothing useful for the direction I need to go
I get it...From Xscream's view, it"s not worth the investment to have batch's of sleeves and Weisco pistons made for these cylinders lying around. Time to move on...
I was emailing them and was getting pretty quick responses and tricky has always answered my PMs on here and calls. That was over a year ago now though.
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I have a feeling that in the next few years, 2 strokes will be all but gone. The epa has been slowly cracking down on 2 strokes over the last few years. And the only ones in jetskis still doing 2 strokes are standups. I believe that market will be gone soon as well. It's completely up to us to keep the sport going as well as passing the knowledge along to the next generation or it will completely die out.
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2strokes will never die in the sport where lightweight and N/A power is needed, But with that said, i think we will se more efi/direct injection in the coming 2strokes, just like it have developed in the snowmobile industry, the racing and deepsnow segment is 90% dominated by 2strokes, and we talking n/a 2strokes at 850ish CCs producing 160-165hp on pumpgas, thats pretty bad ass 2strokes thats allow you to keep it wide open as long as you like, the racing 600CCs is up to around 140-145hp on 99octane.
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I completely agree with you that 2 strokes make more power per weight than a 4 stroke ever could. However, those that are in charge of making decisions that affect all of us want to get rid of internal combustion engines all together. I mean even string trimmers now come with 4 stroke engines.. not to mention how lithium powered things are quickly taking over. Everyone is buying into the convenience not realizing how they're actively supporting the end of I/C engines all together by buying all of these battery powered tools/ vehicles. Example, I rode a talaria this past weekend which is basically a 72v powered dirt bike. We were ripping through trails at 1 am with no concern about waking neighbors. The lack of noise and having to buy gas is enough to sway many people. I also fly rc planes and it is very rare to see anything gas anymore.. in fact most are annoyed by the gas planes due to the noise. They may not completely go away, but they will just be priced right out of the market which we are already seeing..
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Yes its the demand that controls the buisness, nothing bad in that, but to belive that 2strokes if out of buisness in a few years, nah dont think so but I would like to see lightweight battery and a 160hp electric ski would be absolute bonkers and rip your arms off no doubt and I guess when that tech is here for use it will be less then a 14k package with carbs and ign dasa/bun/xs
Don't hold your breath for a new two stroke to ever happen. Bomber could do it, but they probably won't. Polaris could but even less likely. Arctic cat is more likely to go out of business than ever make a ski again. No other company is doing any development of two strokes for production. The Japanese companies have zero interest in two strokes and will sin have nobody working for them that has EVER done development on a two strike if that is not already the case.
That doesn't mean the hobby will die though. It's a nich that will exist as a nich for a very long time. People still have and enjoy model A Fords and p51 Mustangs and horses and buggies.
That doesn't mean the hobby will die though. It's a nich that will exist as a nich for a very long time. People still have and enjoy model A Fords and p51 Mustangs and horses and buggies.
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In the pwc industry we probably never will see a production 2stroke ever again.
But what I said was that 2stroke development among big brands (brp,polaris,a-c,ktm,etc) is not dead, and wont be for a decent amount of future imo
But what I said was that 2stroke development among big brands (brp,polaris,a-c,ktm,etc) is not dead, and wont be for a decent amount of future imo
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Big Kahuna
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you had to go there................ would just as soon forget about them!!!!!!!!!
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They're (krash) probably hurting the market more than helping it
I think it is fair to say that development is not dead, but for jetskiing specifically, its a hard pill to swallow that we definitely have more suppliers exit the game than enter. There is near zero sales volume compared to other powersports, that's why everything needs to be made out of billet and cost $40k for a top level ski. It's all custom machined and the hulls/other composites made out of a guys garage.