Cheap primer bulbs TRIED TO KILL ME.

Pablo

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I have been ripping through primer bulbs lately. I've torn 3 this season??? I'm assuming it's how rough I am on them but the ones on my chain saw, trimmer and blower don't seem to tear quite as easy. I bought 2 of same style on my yard tools off amazon, with free prime shipping, it cost me $6. The main draw back that I can see is that the connections aren't barbed. I may go back to the tried and true ones but for the cost I had to try these.

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Roseand

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We might actually stock those ones at our shop but can definitely get anything stens. Off the top of my head I'm pretty sure we have a stens one that is barbed. I can see if I can get a better deal but amazon is usually hard to beat.

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Pablo

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Well, well, well...where do I begin in my money saving saga. Let me start with today was a beautiful day on the lake. I live on a small lake here in Ga and typically weekends are busy and weekdays are completely dead. The season really dies off after mid July and especially so after Labor Day. I had the day off from work, been doing honey-do stuff all day long. It was now 5PM and I'd been eyeballing the lake the whole day. Smooth water, gentle breeze, evening sun and low humidity. What I should have been doing was drinking a beer and sitting on the dock...but noooo. My wife ran out to drop our daughter off at practice and I figured I'd use the time to grab a quick set on the ski for 30" or so. I grabbed my trunks. Went down to the dock and suited up. The water has cooled a bit here in Ga so it's finally refreshing. Normally the summer water temps are 90* but now they're low 80's and perfect. I've been bragging all summer that I've been able use one battery (ask @McDog) and never had to charge it once (backstory is i switched from TL back to OEM ignition/Rev Mod and ultralight FW). Prolly one of my best decisions ever. I've used TL in all forms since I started this stand-up addiction. Some seasons have been great and some not so great, but usually due to some form of TL bug making me want to smash my ski to bits at various times. However, this year I went back to OEM in a OEM box. Low maintenance, no fuss, no charging and the performance has been spot on for some flatwater trickery and general free riding. I had Fred (@augustaf) build me a complete box with fresh components and rev mod to CDI. Since that day the ski was always started from the first blip of that fabulous little green button. Some days with that TL, whether MSD or ATP, I'd cringe and hope that it would start and run smooth. Never again. Thx Augustaf! I digress...where was I? Oh yeah, I had trotted down to our boat dock and suited up for a evening dash and some "me time" on the ski before kids and wife were back from practice.

There were many points along the way that I could have used a solid dose of common sense and I ignored most of what I've learned. Great choices on my part.

Well, I checked the fuel situation and looked into my beautiful aluminum tank with that wide mouth opening and realized the tank was completely empty. Thats strange I thought but figured I must have coasted in on fumes my last ride and timed it just right. When I say the tank was empty, it was bone-empty. not a drop. Nada. Nothing. Surprisingly this didn't give much more that a second of pause. I went back to the boat house grabbed what was left of the fuel can (about 1/4 tank) poured that in and thought....I'll prolly burn more than that, let me run back up to the house and grab a full can so I can top this tank off. So, I did. Buttoned up my ultra-reliable ski. Dropped the ski off the lift into the water. "No need to prime and test fire on the lift. This ski always fires now." I hit the lovely, kelly-green-go-button and the ski goes "ka-thunk, Ka-thunk, ka-thunk." Strange again cuz "this battery has lasted me ALL FREAKING SEASON." Again...no red-flag on me for some reason. I run back to the house for one of my 3 back up batteries. I grab it, a 10mm socket/ratchet and trot back down thinking "This is gonna cost me 10 mins of my 30 minute ride!" Well, easy enough, I swap the battery out with a freshie, right off the battery tender. I don my gear again, drop the ski in the water, now sweaty and mildly annoyed I hit my favorite fun-button and low and behold...it does the same dang thing! WTH! I can't believe that both my batteries are dead and tired. Strange and peculiar for sure. I knew this battery was fresh. Ski really acts hydro-locked. It wouldn't even make 1 revolution, just KA-THUNK. I could hear the strain on the starter/bendix. Well back on the lift I went and back to the house for a plug wrench. Couldn't find it so I grabbed my do everything, trusty 3/8" ratchet and my color coded, long reach 13/16" socket out of my "good" tools since it was gonna be a quick looksee. I pop the plugs off and don't see any water. Plugs weren't milky??? I had blown out the engine on my last ride a few days ago. One day this week we had some torrential rains but theres no way in hell water could have got into the engine...just couldn't be. So I grab a rag and gently cover the plug holes to see if she'll turn over (hopefully) with the plugs out. At this point I was afraid water had intruded and somehow corroded my crank/seized the engine (TPE 964). So I GENTLY, meaningful word there, cover the plug holes and prepare to hit the orgasmic green orb and see whats-what. As I'm about to press start I think to myself I should turn my head and not be facing directly over the ski so this "water" doesn't hit my face. Against better judgement, or just poor timing I hadn't looked away but thankfully the rag was "GENTLY" covering the holes. You and I know that theres enough compression to blow the rag off the ski. It did...and like Old Faithful at Yellowstone it shot forth in 20 ft. of glory.
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Err, uhh, well it would have been 20 ft had my face not been hovering over the ski like an impatient child.
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Only what shot out of the ski and into my face, eyes and mouth was not water but, wait for it...good smelling, clean burning, ethanol free gas mixed with that sweet, deodorizing scent of Klotz oil. As I pause for a split second to process what I've done to myself
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(no one home, me by myself and down at the dock on a deserted lake) I start to feel the burn of fuel in eyes, nose, and mouth. Thankfully I was able to quickly lower myself to the dock edge and slip into the water and trying like hell to NOT go blind. I started just waving as much water as I can into my eyes and thrashing back and forth like a gator trying to drown its victim.
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After 3 minutes or so of this I fumble to my seawall and stumble up my yard to the hose faucet and start blasting my face with the hose. I try not to completely drown myself but being a healthcare guy, I know, the quicker and more efficiently you can flush the chemicals out the better chance of preventing damage. As luck would have it, I have great neighbors, and one came over to say, "hey!" ...not seeing what happened but just to chit chat. He thought I was chugging out of the hose until I paused to thank my stars for him showing up. This neighbor is the guy that is always prepared, always does things the right way, never cuts corners...just a good guy to know. Almost like a boy scout.
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Always prepared. I tell him whats up, he runs next door and returns in 30 seconds with an industrial size bottle of tear-free baby shampoo to scrub my eyes and emulsify all that fuel and oil. So I shower my face and eyes with soap and water for 10" solid and then fresh water for another 5. During this time, my lovely, ultra cautious wife arrives home to find me in the driveway, bent over like a drunk, flushing my face with soap and water and my boy-scout neighbor staring at me.
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She knows that somethings up, since I'm still dressed in full riding gear minus a helmet. I reluctantly tell her the story since I'm caught red-handed trying to NOT go blind. After 15 mins or so my eyes actually felt ok and skin was not burning and I needed to go deal with my ski...so, Back to the dock I go...feeling not so bad, but having not really learned my lesson quite yet ;). I thank my neighbor and tell him I really appreciate him and his time.

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Pablo

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Now, back on the dock dealing with my ski that has flooded itself. So it was literally hydro-locked but with fuel. Not really contemplating how much fuel had been delivered from my tank and filling up the block of my engine, I grab a couple fresh rags and cover the plug holes with them SECURELY this time. I take all the necessary precautions. Plug holes covered, standing back, turning head and a fresh battery to really pump this fuel out...except one important thing. This is another point in the story where common sense could have saved me, but I choose the red pill, not the blue one. Back to me trying to injure myself, I'm all set to purge this fuel situation. Lanyard in place, rags covering fuel geysers and head turned...what I failed to account for was that I left the plugs in the plug wires...aaaand, what do plugs in plug wires do when the lanyard is installed and the jolly green goosy-goose button is hit? They spark! Well, I have my head turned, trying to be safe and all u know, I'm pumping this gas out with small blips of the start button. Just enough to turn the engine over a half cycle and squirt some fuel into the rags but not make it a summer fountain of fuel. I'm continuing with this motion about 5-6 cycles, all the while, being impressed with just how much fuel had migrated into the engine. I pause for a second to look down in the cylinders and actually see fuel covering one of the pistons that's on the upstroke. "wow" lots of fuel in there. So, I put lanyard back on, rags in place, head turned and cycle it again, now feeling the rags becoming soaked but figuring its GOT TO BE nearly empty by now. Sure wish it were. The last blip of the "get ur rocks off, make ur face grin and ur loins tingle green button causes a funny sensation in my right hand AND ITS SUPER HOT AND HURTS LIKE HELL. I turn my head back from the "safe position" and notice that my flipping right hand is on fire like a scene from Ghost Rider with Nicolas Cage.
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I wave it back and forth a few times in disbelief that what's happening is actually happening. Well, no go on the gas giving up and going out with a couple flings of my hand. This ain't goooood....I say to myself and I bound over my ski headed for the cool, calm fall water. As I'm crossing over the ski I notice that my entire bilge is engulfed in flames because my flaming hand had ignited those gasoline soaked rags. Once I hit the water and my arm is safe I'm looking up at my ski on the lift that looks like a dumpster fire
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, with a full tank of fresh fuel that, thankfully, I had just topped off. Standing in the lake my lift has my ski about head-high ~6ft+. Somehow, someway I'm able to jump high enough to grab the top edge of the bilge opening and I snatch the ski sideways off the lift and submerge it upside down hoping to either extinguish or suffocate the flames. In my thrash I flip the ski over right side up and submerge it again, with plugs out mind you, and drown the ski to the bottom of the lake. The hood WAS setting in the tray. Don't know where exactly it went during the olympic ski tossing event I was participating in.
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Along with the hood went my handy dandy 3/8 ratchet, 13/16 socket, my 1/4" ratchet and another 10mm socket (I've donated prolly 6 of these to the lake) and the spare battery.
Did I tell you I have good neighbors? As I'm retrieving my half burnt ski off the bottom of the lake my neighbor comes around the corner of the boat house and says "hows the eyes feeling buddy? Thought I'd check on you since I smelled gas and something burning." Him not realizing what had just happened AGAIN, but having impeccable timing. Talk about a site for "sore eyes" (literally). He gets my trailer, grabs his mower to back the trailer into the water and helps me get this now 500lb ski on the trailer and up on shore to try to figure out just how bad this situation has become. On inspection it's not as bad as I assumed. It felt like eternity when your ski is engulfed in flames and the only way to save it is to swamp whats not supposed to be swamped...prolly was 5-7 seconds worth of terror.
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Even more scarier was the thought of my entire boat dock going up in flames with my boat and other jetski. That said, the plug wire sheathing was melted off, the battery had surface damage, and the fuel lines were singed superficially, but all in all nothing was beyond repair in the burn department. At this point, it's not dark by any means but it will be soon...this from a guy who headed out at 5 for a quick 30 minute joy ride and now it's 630, post 1 chemical assault and 2, an attempted suicide by arson. I've got to get this ski back up and running before it ruins the crank. Luckily, my lovely wife (did I mention she's ultra cautious) didn't see this escapade go down after I'd nearly blinded myself 20" ago. So to recap, I've nearly gone blind and then almost set myself ablaze in the span of 30". Bad things are supposed to happen in 3's...Good thing I believe in a God and a Savior and don't have to worry about superstitions. So...where was I? My good neighbor (lets call him State Farm) helps me throw in another battery, flip the ski over, pump the water out, fill it full of fogging oil, pump it some more, more fogging oil, more pumping, and finally some fresh fuel and new plugs. My freshly brazed-baby rumbled and stumbled to life. She choked and coughed out the remaining water droplets and belched out some disgusting black chunks too. I let her idle for few seconds to make sure she was in the safe zone for a "BURNEVERYLASTDROPOFWATEROUTOFHER-RUN". Oh yeah, I'll prolly need that hood thing that went flying like a potato chip in a tornado. So I float my blind and burned butt back out to the scene of the crime and get lucky (Did I tell y'all that God is good?), my hood was right about where it should have been after the olympic toss. I grab it. Throw it back on the ski and strap it down. State Farm helped me chunk her butt back in the water. Lanyard on and quick poke of the green circle of death button, she comes to life. Reliable as usual ;) This OEM ignition was best change I've made in a long time I say to myself..................................................................................

too bad the same thing can't be said of the new $3 primer bulbs I was bragging about. That little POC could not handle the tank pressure created by the Georgia sun. The tank had bleed itself bone-dry and all the fuel had pushed itself from the tank, through the primer line and ended up filling my engine to the gills with fuel. Had I not been a cheapo and just bought the things from @JetManiac this day would never have occurred. Food for thought boys and girls. Buy the good stuff. Buy cheap and you'll pay twice. STAY VERY FAR AWAY FROM THESE PRIMERS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN UR CHAINSAW OR WEED TRIMMERS.
 
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Bobert540

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Hahaha best post ever. I should have said first I'm glad you are ok and no serious damage occurred minus a slight blow to the ego. This should be a sticky on lessons learned lol glad it's back up and running!
 

Roseand

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Jeeeeze! That's absolutely wicked and sad to hear... I was looking forward to trying one of those cheapies.
I appreciate you being the test dummy and am sad to hear how badly it turned out, lol.

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mike b

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Glad to hear you are okay. Awesome story to read but even better to hear everything is all good in the end.
 
Well the real lesson you should have learned is when your done riding and cleaning your ski always pull your one way valve off the tank and put it somewhere like under a tank strap till your ready to ride again or crack your gascap.

I buy those cheap primer bulbs off ebay in packs of 5 for five bucks shipped. Im probably the first person to try them many years ago now everyone uses them and JetManiac sells the snowmobile version. Oh and ive never had an issue, never had a bulb break and never had a bulb dry out and never had a primer line pop off my nonbarbed fittings because i buy the right size primer line and the good stuff from my local small engine repair store. The good stuff doesnt harden up and comes in many different inside diameters.

Ive built many skis for people and allways use these primers and never heard anyone have their gastank empty into their motor.
 
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I didn't read all of that but I am gonna! Need coffee first!!

Tuned skis don't need primers at all IMO though.....they fire right up!
 
Didn't read your book, but from when I first saw your thread titled "Cheap primer bulbs", I thought the first line I was going to read when I opened it was going to say "JUST DON'T DO IT!" Guess it just came up later than expected. Sorry for your misfortunes.
 
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