Damm gremlins strike again

shepster

Living the dream!
Out on ski last night (780 blaster 1) and it destroyed itself again. How long do you guys run your skis for before new piston/rings etc ??
Ring snagged and took out crank, luckily bores just needed a slight hone, phew.

Thanks

James
 
Out on ski last night (780 blaster 1) and it destroyed itself again. How long do you guys run your skis for before new piston/rings etc ??
Ring snagged and took out crank, luckily bores just needed a slight hone, phew.

Thanks

James

Depends on your setup...oil and abuse.
There are to many factors to determine life of a motor..
On my stroker dasa Ive replaced the rings after 5 hours of use first shot.
Im on 20 hours now with even compression.
On my limited 701 motor Ive not touched it in 2 years and all is well..
What caused the ring to snag??
 
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shepster

Living the dream!
Hi Not sure, cant see any signs of deto so im guessing it was just its time. All ports are nicely chamfered, running Pro-x pistons with .050 clearance.
Motor has about 30hrs on it.

Twin 44's, b pipe, ada head, ported 61x 85mm, advent cdi.

James
 

ger87410

How did I get here?
Location
Fort Worth
Both my motors have atleast 30 hours on them.

I mix a touch more oil in the gas then I need to. Smokes a tiny bit more, but I know it'll lube the cylinder better.
 

dajnglst

Glass Happens
Location
Charleston SC
Whose pistons are you using ?

Carbon burn deposits beneath rings ?

You can relieve the top ring land area on most pistons to give it a little wiggle room. Same goes for sanding down bottom portion of ring to give it a little more room in the ring land area. If snagged on exhaust port, re measure port width and see if somebody didn't just have a field day widening it. Measure piston taper and if using forged pistons, for example JE is known for lots of taper, you must request custom pistons depending on application. We had failures on 4 stroke Honda Sportbike stuff. I have not seen many issues with Wiseco pistons for pwc's with the exception of ring land location pin backing out.

Taper honing also helps a little no more than 1 - 1 1/2 thou top to bottom.

Probably just need to chamfer the ex port a little more, soften it up, all over not just top and bottom. Sounds like 40:1 mix is way lean on oil for recreational ride.
Engine dyno will actually show you'll make better power around 25:1- 30:1 ....

Pollute it and enjoy, I think a lot of people are fixed on throttle response, Oil flow rate when pre-mixed can still be dialed in.

Are you running a new pipe or an old one. Manifold spewing pin holed leaks or water injection not sealed properly ? (Steaming up exhaust side/ more oil would handle it)

Just not a fan of lean pre-mix ratio's old roadrace bikes performed well with rich mixtures and throttle response is more crucial there.
 

shepster

Living the dream!
Hi Guys thanks, im currently running Pro-x pistons but am now going to fit weiscos as the bores have been honed and will suit the weiscos needing larger wall clearance.050-060. Squish is around 0.45
Motor leakdown test was fine so not looking there.
The motor did nip up once so maybe the affected the rings ability to move freely?
Think i will swap back to running 50/50 Av gas and 32/1 fully syn.
The bigend is notchy on that cylinder now so am also going to relpace the crank :eek2:
All ports are very well chamfered already so dont think i need to touch them.

thanks for the ideas

james
 
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shepster

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Now with pics

Hmm, think this might be the cause. Pretty lucky is wasnt any worse!!

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dajnglst

Glass Happens
Location
Charleston SC
Ouch !!!

Find any of the cages in there ?

Happy building.

You finding benefits to Av Gas ? Dyno'd over race gas ?

What kind of compression is the ADA making ?

AV gas will force you to jet up, 32/1 mix sounds good though.
(Higher oxygen content, lights differently)

Cheaper or just more convenient for you to burn Av gas ?

Forged pistons would be nice if you could get your hands on them cheap enough.

Nice avatar. Surf riding ?
 
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shepster

Living the dream!
Ouch !!!

Find any of the cages in there ?

Happy building.

You finding benefits to Av Gas ? Dyno'd over race gas ?

What kind of compression is the ADA making ?

AV gas will force you to jet up, 32/1 mix sounds good though.
(Higher oxygen content, lights differently)

Cheaper or just more convenient for you to burn Av gas ?

Forged pistons would be nice if you could get your hands on them cheap enough.

Nice avatar. Surf riding ?


Hi Thanks, avatar was just out in the bay on a flat day.

Found some swarf in the cases but not too much, most was still in and around the bearing.

Running 760 35cc domes 185ish psi, 38cc domes around 175psi. 0.45 squish

Running Av Gas mixed 50/50 with 95oct as its cheaper and alot easier to get hold of over here. Race gas is mad prices!!

Motor will be built back up with a new Hotrods crank and weisco pistons, now cant decide to use the 38 or 35cc domes ?
Probaly opt for the 38's to help the motor live abit longer.

James
 
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