Does any one own a dasa billet 5 mm motor 85 mm pistons power valve engine if so I'm keen to what squish it has and what kind of compresion it should have I ask for a free ride ported motor what should I expect maybe super tune can say what a similar scream motor would run fuel is not an issue
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Have you spoken to Dasa what the spec's should be for THEIR engine?
I can't tell you what they run, our X Scream engines are way different setup than a Dasa engine, so the spec's we run don't apply.
I can't tell you what they run, our X Scream engines are way different setup than a Dasa engine, so the spec's we run don't apply.
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The DASA 5 mil cylinder setup all depends on how it is built. decking, domes, base gasket thickness.
I run a cast DASA 5 mil ported by Jetworks and I run a 030 base gasket, YAK85/26L17 domes which gets me 047 squish and 200 psi. I am running
Kawi/WIseco 813M08550 pistons. As stated before tho-until it is assembled and properly measured you won't know what you have.
I run a cast DASA 5 mil ported by Jetworks and I run a 030 base gasket, YAK85/26L17 domes which gets me 047 squish and 200 psi. I am running
Kawi/WIseco 813M08550 pistons. As stated before tho-until it is assembled and properly measured you won't know what you have.
Ok I understand the reason I ask is I have had big. Dramas I sent my motor back to dasa we requested a free ride spec I recieved my motor it had a brand new cylinder fully assembled I checked some things it's got 1.6 mm squish. 155 to 160 psi comp running .3 negative deck height is this a real good spech for massive throttle response I don't think so they are sending me new domes but I don't think they could achive what spec it should be I would think it should be 1mm squish and about 200 psi ?
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If you are correct with your measurements with the squish at .063 in that is way too loose for how we run OUR engines, .052 would be the most limit I would EVER run and that would be with a crappy high squish ratio head. (like old race gas Riva heads)
200 lbs will make for a snappy engine, but would be a little high without good fuel or a programmable ignition (MSD-TL, E.P.I.C. or a Flame) that has a decent timing curve to support that higher compression. In a freestyle only, no top end running, you could get way with 200 LBS with a MSD Enhancer and don't run a lot of timing.
With .012 in (.3mm) negative deck, you should be OK and not have to deck the cylinder block.
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This engine is run in australia Chucky
its runs an epic ignition and we can buy 98 octane at the pump here
Its also just a free ride boat not a closed course or song run boat
If it was one of my engines I would go for about 1mm squish on the engine and about 190-200 psi to make it snap on hard
its runs an epic ignition and we can buy 98 octane at the pump here
Its also just a free ride boat not a closed course or song run boat
If it was one of my engines I would go for about 1mm squish on the engine and about 190-200 psi to make it snap on hard
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Wax don't make me angry if it was one of yours I wouldn't be on here asking these questions ha ha . Back yard dremil drivers is were all this has started from. my own fault letting unqualifed people who are clearly out of there depth play with my money I have experianced waxs work first hand now and that's were my next motor will be going defiatly not to steve from infusion t he's just plain hopeless
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Debner, you are a vendictive little boy, know wonder you & your mate got kicked off OZ Freeride.com for exactly this kind of stuff.
If your going to tell a story at least tell one that's true.
Firstly, yes i did build a motor for you with a 5mm crank & DASA top end kit supplied by you.
Porting specs were supplied to me by DASA as a measurement from the top of the cylinder to the top off the port.
After the motor was assembled, the squish was 2mm. I told you something was not right & contacted DASA & they said they must have sent the wrong domes by mistake as it should be close to 1mm squish - as you know!
When the new domes arrived the squish was 1.45mm from memory & told you something was still not right - as you know!
DASA thought they may have supplied a custom cylinder (which was made about 1mm taller than normal) to you by mistake.
Your motor was sent to DASA who confirmed that the custom cylinder was supplied to you by mistake which meant the porting specs would be totally out - as you know!
DASA made a new top end for you a assembled your motor.
You then got someone else to setup the ignition curve & tune it for you.
If your motor does not perform as it should, you need to discuss this with your tuner or DASA (as I'm sure DASA would be happy to help in whatever way they can).
There is not one part on that motor that wasn't put together correctly from my end, so to say that this is somehow my fault is an absolute fantasy.
We all know that you have the
s from the weekend because your ski did not run well & all the other skis that were with you that i tuned ran fine - & I'm sure that these riders would be happy to confirm this!
If you REALLY wanted your ski sorted & didn't want to just hop on the forums & behave like a tool, you would be contacting the people that built your engine or tuned it
If your going to tell a story at least tell one that's true.
Firstly, yes i did build a motor for you with a 5mm crank & DASA top end kit supplied by you.
Porting specs were supplied to me by DASA as a measurement from the top of the cylinder to the top off the port.
After the motor was assembled, the squish was 2mm. I told you something was not right & contacted DASA & they said they must have sent the wrong domes by mistake as it should be close to 1mm squish - as you know!
When the new domes arrived the squish was 1.45mm from memory & told you something was still not right - as you know!
DASA thought they may have supplied a custom cylinder (which was made about 1mm taller than normal) to you by mistake.
Your motor was sent to DASA who confirmed that the custom cylinder was supplied to you by mistake which meant the porting specs would be totally out - as you know!
DASA made a new top end for you a assembled your motor.
You then got someone else to setup the ignition curve & tune it for you.
If your motor does not perform as it should, you need to discuss this with your tuner or DASA (as I'm sure DASA would be happy to help in whatever way they can).
There is not one part on that motor that wasn't put together correctly from my end, so to say that this is somehow my fault is an absolute fantasy.
We all know that you have the
s from the weekend because your ski did not run well & all the other skis that were with you that i tuned ran fine - & I'm sure that these riders would be happy to confirm this!If you REALLY wanted your ski sorted & didn't want to just hop on the forums & behave like a tool, you would be contacting the people that built your engine or tuned it
my ski is finialy getting there steve i tune it my self by the way i dont tune it on my knees either i can actualy stand up just my ski on the weekend was running a little ruf due to incosistant spark caused by a bad coil and yes you steve cuningham of confusion t who thinks i owe him $130 bucks ha are the reason my motor has taken this long i trusted u and i belived u when u relised my motor was incorect u knew it but u didnt want to look like a dick in dasas eyes u were trying to put a band aid on it with another two sets of domes as soon as i took the motor from u things started to happen i have since ditched your crap 4217 good luck selling your over priced front covers tiger to a proven ignition that is awesome craig at ajsp has been great the hole time u are just a legend in your own lunch time . i called dan lammy personaly he was great he is making happen i should of called him months ago he said the same kyle said he was very surprised u didnt pick up the original problem what was the negative deck height again mate . massive if i had just ordered a ported top end we would not be here with this drama but once again i listented to u . steve u are just ing dum . as for your work the line u told us only god will judge me i hope he does it should be super funny so u know were i live so come get your 130 u broke ass dremil jockey . ps how much did u buy grants barrel back for once again bad work
happen i should of called him months ago he said the same kyle said he was very surprised u didnt pick up the original problem what was the negative deck height again mate . massive if i had just ordered a ported top end we would not be here with this drama but once again i listented to u . steve u are just ing dum . as for your work the line u told us only god will judge me i hope he does it should be super funny so u know were i live so come get your 130 u broke ass dremil jockey . ps how much did u buy grants barrel back for once again bad workon another note i got my new domes into my ski today about 1.1mm squish i say about because i didnt have my digital verniers with me so i think its 1mm to 1.1mm with 225 psi compression so im pretty happy with these numbers it should run great now hey steve compresion is irelivent though right your words mate
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This is exactly why you got kicked off the other forum - for talking absolute crap!
I did tell you that the deck height was wrong & the only reason I released the motor is because you said you wanted to do the fit-up with your new Rickter & would bring it back when the domes arrived - as you know!
We bought back grants cylinder because he wouldn't run the engine with the setup that we said, so after carrying on like an absolute goose & threatening people, we bought the cylinder back as there is nothing wrong with it.
The 760 covers are all sold by the way.
Interesting that you publisesed in Australian Jetski Magazine that my motor in the blaster is one of the best you've ever ridden & Adams stroker is one of the best motors at Cronulla, but that's right I don't know how to build a motor do I?
I know you love these forum battles, so I'm sure your having a great time with this.
If you had any fact in you, you would be taking up these issues with your engine builder or tuner & not rubbishing people on forums in true Debner style
I did tell you that the deck height was wrong & the only reason I released the motor is because you said you wanted to do the fit-up with your new Rickter & would bring it back when the domes arrived - as you know!
We bought back grants cylinder because he wouldn't run the engine with the setup that we said, so after carrying on like an absolute goose & threatening people, we bought the cylinder back as there is nothing wrong with it.
The 760 covers are all sold by the way.
Interesting that you publisesed in Australian Jetski Magazine that my motor in the blaster is one of the best you've ever ridden & Adams stroker is one of the best motors at Cronulla, but that's right I don't know how to build a motor do I?
I know you love these forum battles, so I'm sure your having a great time with this.
If you had any fact in you, you would be taking up these issues with your engine builder or tuner & not rubbishing people on forums in true Debner style
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Steve, to say that the problems that Clint has with this motor are not largely your fault is completely naive!
Firstly, Clint had the option to have this top end supplied ported by Dasa, but you sold the story that it would be better to be done by you (Clint's 1st mistake!) The motor was supplied to you in November last year to start the build.
You failed to recognise that the kit supplied was incorrect. (yes dasa did supply an incorrect kit, but they have proven themselves to admit when a mistake is made and correct it) No problems here, we all can make mistakes, its what you do to resolve a situation which is the true judge of a person (or company's) worth. And I think Dan in particular has handled this situation in a very professional way.
You say that "After the motor was assembled, the squish was 2mm. I told you something was not right & contacted DASA & they said they must have sent the wrong domes by mistake as it should be close to 1mm squish - as you know!"
Steve, the pistons sat a couple of mm below the top of the cylinder (you didn't need verniers to realises there was a problem..) yet you kept carrying on about domes failing to acknowledge that the problem was in fact with the cylinder. In hindsight, it is obvious why. All that time you were trying to shaft AJSP as the importer of Dasa into Australia and you were too embarrassed to go back to dasa and admit that you had failed to notice something so obvious. So behind the scenes you were trying to apply band aids and cover up the fact from clint and dasa that you were too stupid to realise the problem until the motor was completely finished (and that the porting was far to heavy handed - but that's another story). You had obviously put yourself in a compromised position with your ignorance.
Steve if you are confused why Clint is so pissed at you I will spell it out. He gave you a motor in November and you stuffed up. You knew you stuffed up but rather than acknowledge this, you tried to cover it up and pass the buck and blame other people, as you have have done again here tonight. Your thinly veiled shot at wax has missed the mark. Clint tuned this motor himself and he runs an epic ignition. And just for the record, after you had finished with clint's motor it ran worse than a stock 701. Even with a shoddy coil, his motor still ran better this past weekend than anyone else there. I am sure all of the other riders there will confirm this!
Firstly, Clint had the option to have this top end supplied ported by Dasa, but you sold the story that it would be better to be done by you (Clint's 1st mistake!) The motor was supplied to you in November last year to start the build.
You failed to recognise that the kit supplied was incorrect. (yes dasa did supply an incorrect kit, but they have proven themselves to admit when a mistake is made and correct it) No problems here, we all can make mistakes, its what you do to resolve a situation which is the true judge of a person (or company's) worth. And I think Dan in particular has handled this situation in a very professional way.
You say that "After the motor was assembled, the squish was 2mm. I told you something was not right & contacted DASA & they said they must have sent the wrong domes by mistake as it should be close to 1mm squish - as you know!"
Steve, the pistons sat a couple of mm below the top of the cylinder (you didn't need verniers to realises there was a problem..) yet you kept carrying on about domes failing to acknowledge that the problem was in fact with the cylinder. In hindsight, it is obvious why. All that time you were trying to shaft AJSP as the importer of Dasa into Australia and you were too embarrassed to go back to dasa and admit that you had failed to notice something so obvious. So behind the scenes you were trying to apply band aids and cover up the fact from clint and dasa that you were too stupid to realise the problem until the motor was completely finished (and that the porting was far to heavy handed - but that's another story). You had obviously put yourself in a compromised position with your ignorance.
Steve if you are confused why Clint is so pissed at you I will spell it out. He gave you a motor in November and you stuffed up. You knew you stuffed up but rather than acknowledge this, you tried to cover it up and pass the buck and blame other people, as you have have done again here tonight. Your thinly veiled shot at wax has missed the mark. Clint tuned this motor himself and he runs an epic ignition. And just for the record, after you had finished with clint's motor it ran worse than a stock 701. Even with a shoddy coil, his motor still ran better this past weekend than anyone else there. I am sure all of the other riders there will confirm this!
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Grant the other example of forum battle lovers.
DASA will confirm that I sent them emails confirming deck height & squish. The gentleman I was dealing with I believe is no longer there, but I still have the emails to confirm.
The cylinder was ported exactly to the specs supplied by DASA for that cylinder so your "heavy handed on the porting" dig is based on your opinion of me not on fact.
To say that we were trying to "shaft " AJSP is absolute rubbish as clint asked if we could get him a cylinder as he knew we had ordered DASA motors, but we both agreed that it was easier at the time to order it through AJSP.
I suggested getting an un-ported cylinder only to save him some money - as you both know!
I'm sure clints motor ran worse than a stock 701, but we both know that it was never finished as the tolerances in the cylinder were wrong & it was never meant to be run until on outcome was reached (which was when DASA backed up their product & replaced the top end - as you know!
No-one is passing the buck here mate, I have fact to back up all my statements, not just pathetic attacks at people that try to do the right thing by someone & get rubbish posted when things don't work out exactly their way.
Only a fool would see that there is no foundation in starting this thread for the purpose of finding out information about your 5mm Stroker, but the sole purpose is to take a personal attack on me.
Anyone that was really after information would ring or email their engine builder or tuner.
DASA will confirm that I sent them emails confirming deck height & squish. The gentleman I was dealing with I believe is no longer there, but I still have the emails to confirm.
The cylinder was ported exactly to the specs supplied by DASA for that cylinder so your "heavy handed on the porting" dig is based on your opinion of me not on fact.
To say that we were trying to "shaft " AJSP is absolute rubbish as clint asked if we could get him a cylinder as he knew we had ordered DASA motors, but we both agreed that it was easier at the time to order it through AJSP.
I suggested getting an un-ported cylinder only to save him some money - as you both know!
I'm sure clints motor ran worse than a stock 701, but we both know that it was never finished as the tolerances in the cylinder were wrong & it was never meant to be run until on outcome was reached (which was when DASA backed up their product & replaced the top end - as you know!
No-one is passing the buck here mate, I have fact to back up all my statements, not just pathetic attacks at people that try to do the right thing by someone & get rubbish posted when things don't work out exactly their way.
Only a fool would see that there is no foundation in starting this thread for the purpose of finding out information about your 5mm Stroker, but the sole purpose is to take a personal attack on me.
Anyone that was really after information would ring or email their engine builder or tuner.
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Again Steve, that is not entirely correct. You tried to convince Clint that you could get him the cylinder direct, but clint chose to buy from AJSP. I remember you saying to me that the InfusionT goal was to be the SOLE australian distributor for DASA and and a few other brands. your words, "AJSP spread themselves too thin doing too much, we want to focus on a few brands" And this statement was at the same time (about 3 months into the engine build) when you finally realised that the dasa kit supplied was incorrect. You even had the nerve to create a scene when clint bought his DASA flywheel cover from AJSP instead of you. Even though you were substantially more expensive.
And your sales pitch to have you do the entire port job was that you were porting the cases and manifolds, so it was better to have the one person do the lot. (good in theory, so long as you Steve aren't the one doing it...) It was nothing to do with money and you know that. This ski was not done on a budget.
Yes, you went back to dasa to ask about domes to lower squish, but when the pistons sit that low below the deck height, discussions about domes are irrelevant, unless you are trying to find a band aid for a motor.
Even Dan Lamey said to Clint that he should have picked up the phone and called him direct to resolve this situation. Now tell me steve, why would Dan say that if he had respect for your ability to represent dasa's interests and resolve this situation?
And your sales pitch to have you do the entire port job was that you were porting the cases and manifolds, so it was better to have the one person do the lot. (good in theory, so long as you Steve aren't the one doing it...) It was nothing to do with money and you know that. This ski was not done on a budget.
Yes, you went back to dasa to ask about domes to lower squish, but when the pistons sit that low below the deck height, discussions about domes are irrelevant, unless you are trying to find a band aid for a motor.
Even Dan Lamey said to Clint that he should have picked up the phone and called him direct to resolve this situation. Now tell me steve, why would Dan say that if he had respect for your ability to represent dasa's interests and resolve this situation?
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This is something I new I learnd today porting effect the squish? Never knew that. I don't think that is steves fault I do think steve should have fixed the problem instead of sending back to the states.
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Did SFL move to Australia?? LOL!
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Correct sir! (in semi drunk Ed McMann voice)
I'm a member on Ozfreeride, and there does seem to be a lot of childish bitchin' and moaning down there (especially considdering their low member count)