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401K, company gives me 4% automatically and then they match 1 for every 2 up to another 4% so I have to put in 8% to get to the full company match. Before they changed the plan I started out putting in 6% and raised it 1% each year till I hit 10% so I was comfortable with the 10% before they started the company match. Before they had profited sharing that went into a taxed deferred account and a pension which is now frozen. So I could reduce my contribution by 2% while still maximizing the company match and use that money to reduce the school/Truck debt. Problem is I can see the wife using the extra money for other things and it not going where it should and I would rather have it locked away tax deferred. If we can just get rid of the truck payment we would be in better shape. Children in day care for the summer, before school program now for my son and daycare for Kelly cost more than expected.
 

SuperJETT

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using the extra money for other things and it not going where it should

Budget, budget, budget. You do a budget for the month, you tell the money where it's going instead of just letting it go wherever.

If you were a department manager in a company, you would do a budget for your department or you'd get fired. If you ran a small business, you'd do a budget or go out of business. Your family is a small business, so you need a budget!

Once we started doing our budget, it was surprising that we were able to pay all the bills, feed the family, pay off debt, and actually had money to put toward things that are important like car repairs, home improvements, gymnastics lessons for the kids, etc.
 
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SuperJETT - Does Dave Ramsey give any reson why he thinks rentals are bad (or is it just student rentals?). The way I had planned on doing it is to start the company and save most (all?) of the excess money generated into a company account, and use it for any repairs/upgrades that need to be done. After the mortgage is up (25yrs) I would have a 'free' house (hopefully keeping up with maintenance on the house will keep it in decent shape), that I would either sell or keep as a rental. I am 24 now, with no debt, but not much as far as savings (most of my extra money goes towards the toys at the moment) but I do have a retirement plan started.
 

SuperJETT

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SuperJETT - Does Dave Ramsey give any reson why he thinks rentals are bad (or is it just student rentals?). The way I had planned on doing it is to start the company and save most (all?) of the excess money generated into a company account, and use it for any repairs/upgrades that need to be done. After the mortgage is up (25yrs) I would have a 'free' house (hopefully keeping up with maintenance on the house will keep it in decent shape), that I would either sell or keep as a rental. I am 24 now, with no debt, but not much as far as savings (most of my extra money goes towards the toys at the moment) but I do have a retirement plan started.

I don't know his exact thoughts on it, but I know he doesn't like student rentals because of the damage that is done and he doesn't like long distance landlording either, he'd rather be able to drive by the place fairly often just to keep an eye on things.
 
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I'm not disagreeing, but the landlord I had when I was in school lived about 3 hours away, and only came back a couple weekends in March/April to show houses and sign leases for the coming year. He did have a handyman in town that took care of all the emergency maintenance (our furnace stopped working in February, and there was a guy there that night with some electric heaters). I still have a lot of research to do, but I'm not going to rule it out because Dave Ramsey says so, I would like to supplement my income, and I live in a small town with very little rental demand. At least near the University I don't have to worry about filling the house.
 

thrllskr

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I'm not disagreeing, but the landlord I had when I was in school lived about 3 hours away, and only came back a couple weekends in March/April to show houses and sign leases for the coming year. He did have a handyman in town that took care of all the emergency maintenance (our furnace stopped working in February, and there was a guy there that night with some electric heaters). I still have a lot of research to do, but I'm not going to rule it out because Dave Ramsey says so, I would like to supplement my income, and I live in a small town with very little rental demand. At least near the University I don't have to worry about filling the house.

If you really insist on doing this, I would take a larger than normal security deposit, since 90% of the time its coming from the parents anyway, I am sure it shouldn't that big of an issue. Would be great to get the parents to sign the lease, but you'd risk turning the students away because of that.

Wouldn't you rather put the money into a house for yourself? Or buy a fixer-upper and spend some time with it and sell it. That would make you more over a few years than a rental property would. And then you could watch a property get nicer rather than be destroyed by college kids.
 

SeaLion

Jet Ski Junkie
What does Ramsey say on 2nd homes/vacation property. I bought a house in AZ by the Colorado River as our get away weekend place. It has appreciated 150% in the past 2 years I have owned it. I think this is the only debt I have if your primary residence doesn't count. I paid cash for my 03 Ranger and my wife's 04 Expedition. Bought both used btw. Always pay cash for the skis, quads and trailers. I have a credit card but it gets paid off in full every month. I am self employed so I wish I had matching retirement contributions but I don't. I max an IRA for my wife and myself every year though. I have a good sized savings accumulated and some stocks but nothing major as far as stock investment goes. I am 36 with a wife and 3 kids. I am almost debt free but due to the 2nd home I guess I am not technically there yet. Although if I sell it, it would be a big gainer.
 

Snackem

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What does Ramsey say on 2nd homes/vacation property. . . .

If you are going by just what Dave says he would tell you to sell the house. Put the cash that you get from it either into a savings/money market account or into good mutual funds depending on how long you plan on leaving it there. It would go into Mutual funds if it would be a "long term" *(five years or more) or into savings if it were a "short term" (less than five years). Then he would say to start saving your mortgage payment and more and wait until you have the money saved up to pay cash for a nice vacation home. He LOVES real estate:headbang: but HATES debt more:bad3:
 

Mile9c1

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Dave's thing is to never borrow money, because it's dumb to go into debt.

He doesn't count primary residences as debt. But he only likes 15 year mortgages max, where at least 20% is put down and the payments are less than 25% of your take home pay.

Jetskiier, borrowing a quarter million dollars for a 25 year loan on a house for students to party in... Dave would have a heart attack if you asked him what he would do if he were you :cool2: Before you jump into anything, take a hard look at all the numbers. It might make sense, I have no idea what your situation is, but don't forget you have to pay property taxes (I'm guessing they'd be around $5-6 grand a year), you can't take a tax deduction on the interest if it's not your primary residence, and you have to pay income taxes on any profit you do make each year. Just some things to consider.

I'm not sure why a 24 year old would want the headache... start saving your extra money in good mutual funds or buy a house for yourself to live in if you don't already have one. Much much less risk and less stress IMO.
 

SeaLion

Jet Ski Junkie
If you are going by just what Dave says he would tell you to sell the house. Put the cash that you get from it either into a savings/money market account or into good mutual funds depending on how long you plan on leaving it there. It would go into Mutual funds if it would be a "long term" *(five years or more) or into savings if it were a "short term" (less than five years). Then he would say to start saving your mortgage payment and more and wait until you have the money saved up to pay cash for a nice vacation home. He LOVES real estate:headbang: but HATES debt more:bad3:

Well then maybe I got lucky because if I don't know where I could have made 150% in mutual funds. I know it could tank and go back to what I bought it for (highly unlikely). It will also be paid off in a couple of years. It gets used often and all my toys are stored there. It saves me time and money not having to trailer back and forth. Most people have a car payment higher than what my mortgage is on it. It could also be rented for double the mortgage cost (positive cash flow) if I chose to and still have all that appreciation equity. It was a legal steal on the deal I got on it. The right circumstances all fell into place on it. I'm sure there are some guidelines and every situation is unique. You can't just put a blanket over it all. The general principles of Ramsey are pretty sound but I'm sure there are some exceptions. Yeah if I had 2 car payments, 3 credit cards maxed out etc. I don't think it would have been a good idea (not knowing that the market will boom so much).

All I know is I am glad I made the decision to buy it. One of the best deals I have made yet. My primary residence was not too shabby of a deal either. That one has appreciated 80% and should be paid off in 8 years. I bought it 3 years ago.
 

Snackem

Danger Zone
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Well then maybe I got lucky because if I don't know where I could have made 150% in mutual funds. I know it could tank and go back to what I bought it for (highly unlikely). It will also be paid off in a couple of years. It gets used often and all my toys are stored there. It saves me time and money not having to trailer back and forth. Most people have a car payment higher than what my mortgage is on it. It could also be rented for double the mortgage cost (positive cash flow) if I chose to and still have all that appreciation equity. It was a legal steal on the deal I got on it. The right circumstances all fell into place on it. I'm sure there are some guidelines and every situation is unique. You can't just put a blanket over it all. The general principles of Ramsey are pretty sound but I'm sure there are some exceptions. Yeah if I had 2 car payments, 3 credit cards maxed out etc. I don't think it would have been a good idea (not knowing that the market will boom so much).

All I know is I am glad I made the decision to buy it. One of the best deals I have made yet. My primary residence was not too shabby of a deal either. That one has appreciated 80% and should be paid off in 8 years. I bought it 3 years ago.

Yeah that was a GREAT investment. I'm not saying that think that what you did was wrong. I was just answering your question about what Dave would say. I'm an avid listner of his and I am reading his book so I think that I have a sound grasp on his principals.
 
How do you like the book. Had a long talk with the wife tonight and we are putting all of our debt in line and taking out the little ones 1 at a time. I will see how that works. hope the talk help us out and we will see in one or two months how things are going. Now how do i set up a pop up reminder on this site to revisite the thread. :question:
 

Snackem

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How do you like the book. . . . . Now how do i set up a pop up reminder on this site to revisite the thread. :question:

I love the book so far. Can't wait to finish it so I can give it to some friends.
You can subscribe to the thread or just "bump" it. Good luck to you and God Bless.
 
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Dave's thing is to never borrow money, because it's dumb to go into debt.

He doesn't count primary residences as debt. But he only likes 15 year mortgages max, where at least 20% is put down and the payments are less than 25% of your take home pay.

Jetskiier, borrowing a quarter million dollars for a 25 year loan on a house for students to party in... Dave would have a heart attack if you asked him what he would do if he were you :cool2: Before you jump into anything, take a hard look at all the numbers. It might make sense, I have no idea what your situation is, but don't forget you have to pay property taxes (I'm guessing they'd be around $5-6 grand a year), you can't take a tax deduction on the interest if it's not your primary residence, and you have to pay income taxes on any profit you do make each year. Just some things to consider.

I'm not sure why a 24 year old would want the headache... start saving your extra money in good mutual funds or buy a house for yourself to live in if you don't already have one. Much much less risk and less stress IMO.


Maybe I'm wrong, I know its going into debt by buying a rental house, but it wouldn't cost me any of my income (if all goes as planned), the rental income would more than cover the mortgage and taxes. I wouldn't pay income tax on the income, because it would stay in the company, with me making very little (probably 0 in the beginning, but more after 10-15 years). I could write off the depreciation of the house if I had to, but that would come back to bite me in 25 years when I sold the house, as I would have to pay tax on the difference of the depreciated value and whatever I sold it for.
I don't buy a house for myself mainly because I dont have to, I'm living with a friend and the rent is less than the interest I would be paying on a mortgage, plus the mortgage would be coming out of my pocket, unlike the rental house. I know there will be some problems, nothing is ever easy or everyone would be doing it (there are a lot of people that own rentals in the area).
I am not completely sold on the idea, thats why I asked for opinions, but it does seem like a good idea to me. At the moment I'm reading "How to invest in real estate for dummies" its a pretty good book, I've read a couple more and like I said before I have some decisions to make and more learning to do.
I knew a guy that had a 6 bedroom rental house, which was mortgaged, and it paid for its own mortgage, the mortgage on his house (small house in the country), and his boat payment. I'm not saying thats what I'm trying to do, I would invest the money back in the house, but I do think there is money to be made. The average rental rate is around $400/room, plus utilities.
 

thrllskr

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Went to B&N at lunch and bought the book. Rainy weekend ahead of me (atleast tomorrow), figure I'll dig into it. I was laughing to myself though - since I bought my condo, I already started on a strict budget, only use debit card now, cut coupons for groceries, etc and its working well. Then here I am buying a $20 book - my budget doesn't allow for anymore frivilous (sp?) purchases but I figured this is an exception!
 
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I am reading threw this thread and feel like a complete Moron ! I have followed the love of skiing this year so much.. I have nothing left. No savings, nothing in checking and living week to week, barely getting by.. I think I went a little crazy this year.. Well travel and whatnot.. I am 34k in the hole... maxed Home Equity and just put my house up for sale last night... I am moving out... and taking the equity in my condo to get a house and pay off everything... I hope I can do a couple rides next year... But the sport has gotten me really broke.... I have made some Irriplaceable Friends, and had a blast... But the headache I have now.. is not worth all of it... I am on the path of fixing... and I will probly ride Jersey rager and thats it, way until next season.... It is, what it is ! :dunno:
 

SuperJETT

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I am reading threw this thread and feel like a complete Moron ! I have followed the love of skiing this year so much.. I have nothing left. No savings, nothing in checking and living week to week, barely getting by.. I think I went a little crazy this year.. Well travel and whatnot.. I am 34k in the hole... maxed Home Equity and just put my house up for sale last night... I am moving out... and taking the equity in my condo to get a house and pay off everything... I hope I can do a couple rides next year... But the sport has gotten me really broke.... I have made some Irriplaceable Friends, and had a blast... But the headache I have now.. is not worth all of it... I am on the path of fixing... and I will probly ride Jersey rager and thats it, way until next season.... It is, what it is ! :dunno:

That was me a few years ago, trips, trips, trips, all on credit cards.

The good news is it's completely fixable!
 
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PancakePete

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That was me a few years ago, trips, trips, trips, all on credit cards.

The good news is it's completely fixable!

Thanks Darin... I dont want Kelly to ever suffer...

Just like Nascency's "Addiction". Man.. Its true !
 
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