ELECTRIC IS HERE!

[Quinc]

My neighbor is all about it going electric and has a ton of the heavy duty dewalt 60v tools. Anyone try to leaf blow out gutters/heavy leaves with a 60v dewalt blower? Or try to cut through a 16" tree with the 60v dewalt chainsaw? You are looking at about 12minutes of use per 12ah 300$ battery. Or you can buy a 99$ gas chainsaw off ebay and run it for hours on a 4$ gallon of gas. However, I do enjoy how quiet the chainsaw is. The leaf blowers are still loud.

Also going green is only "green" when its not in your back yard..

 

[WFO Speedracer]

My neighbor is all about it going electric and has a ton of the heavy duty dewalt 60v tools. Anyone try to leaf blow out gutters/heavy leaves with a 60v dewalt blower? Or try to cut through a 16" tree with the 60v dewalt chainsaw? You are looking at about 12minutes of use per 12ah 300$ battery. Or you can buy a 99$ gas chainsaw off ebay and run it for hours on a 4$ gallon of gas. However, I do enjoy how quiet the chainsaw is. The leaf blowers are still loud.

Also going green is only "green" when its not in your back yard..

Here is the thing, we are depending on undeveloped countries for materials to make electric vehicles, they don't stay undeveloped long, look at China and what has happened there for an example. As you bring the countries along they start wanting things we take for granted like refrigerators and TVs , to buy these things takes money and that means higher wages, then you move to another country and repeat the process, soon you look up and realize there are no undeveloped countries left, then what ?

 

[Jhucke]

My neighbor is all about it going electric and has a ton of the heavy duty dewalt 60v tools. Anyone try to leaf blow out gutters/heavy leaves with a 60v dewalt blower? Or try to cut through a 16" tree with the 60v dewalt chainsaw? You are looking at about 12minutes of use per 12ah 300$ battery. Or you can buy a 99$ gas chainsaw off ebay and run it for hours on a 4$ gallon of gas. However, I do enjoy how quiet the chainsaw is. The leaf blowers are still loud.

Also going green is only "green" when its not in your back yard..

I have flexvolt tools, honestly I love them. There's a time and place to use the chainsaw and heavy duty use is not one of them, there's no replacement for a gasser if you have to do a lot of work.

 

[fx1mark]

I have flexvolt tools, honestly I love them. There's a time and place to use the chainsaw and heavy duty use is not one of them, there's no replacement for a gasser if you have to do a lot of work.

I have a cordless chainsaw, leaf blower and weedeater. I am very impressed with all of them. I still have my gas tools as well if I need them. My nephew got a KTM freeride and my brother loves it so we have both ordered electric dirt bikes. We still have our KTM' 300's for now....

 

[mthomps]

The dinosaurs. Funny how the 20 and 30 yr Olds. Embrace electric. The majority of them. To deny its the future is to be plain ol ignorant. Same guys said obd2 was a nightmare when it first came out. Now look.

Imagine not disturbing nature so you get to ride in refuges. Imagine not leaking oil all over the place. Imagine not pissing off every Karen and their mom when you try and enjoy having fun your way.

Yeah, the problem is the 40 people that ride 2 stroke jetskis and the 15 hp john boats, not the major industries that spew pollution up, down, left and right. Riiiight.

 

[Sparkplug]

My neighbor is all about it going electric and has a ton of the heavy duty dewalt 60v tools. Anyone try to leaf blow out gutters/heavy leaves with a 60v dewalt blower? Or try to cut through a 16" tree with the 60v dewalt chainsaw? You are looking at about 12minutes of use per 12ah 300$ battery. Or you can buy a 99$ gas chainsaw off ebay and run it for hours on a 4$ gallon of gas. However, I do enjoy how quiet the chainsaw is. The leaf blowers are still loud.

Also going green is only "green" when its not in your back yard..

Project farm on YouTube would disagree. As would I with the 2 digger pines and 3 live oaks I've cut up in the past 2 weeks. Husky saws working right on side the Dewalt. The husky needs a choke though. And believe it or not. I burn through the Lil huskys gas before the Dewalt battery.

I literally deal with 25 different types of equipment. Every single day. Electric is the future.

 

[Sparkplug]

Yeah, the problem is the 40 people that ride 2 stroke jetskis and the 15 hp john boats, not the major industries that spew pollution up, down, left and right. Riiiight.

You, and others. Seem to think I support the green movement. I don't. I'm just not a dunce with my head buried in the ground. I see it coming. Did a long time ago.

If you don't believe electric engines are more powerful. Less maintenance. Cheaper. More reliable. And quieter. Than a gas engine. Well you can't really be reasoned with logic. So brap brap brap you will go

The rest of the world. Those who want innovation. Want to move forward. Wil continue with what they are doing.

O yes. Did you see they attained fusion a few months ago? Sure it's 100 yes from being usefully. But that is limitless electricity. You gas snobs better pass that bravado down to those youngsters or no one is gonna even know what brap means in 100 years

 

[Sparkplug]

OK. So a 12ah battery is 180 bucks. It goes for abouts 800-1200 charging cycles. We will say 1000. That's 18 cents a charging cycle. So 18 cents a "tank" of fuel.

The dewat saw 12ah outruns the tank on the little husky. Barely. But it does. The husky can be refilled 8 times times from a 2 gallon tank. We have. So it holds about a quarter gallon give or take. That's about a dollar now adays.

You think the battery costs a dollar to charge????? It's more limey around 10 cents. If that. I could do the math but too many beers.

Can someone point out a flaw in what I just wrote? Even with the purchase price of the battery. It doesn't seem to work out math wise in the long run to run gas on smaller.stuff that has been engineered to be efficient?

 

[Harbor]

OK. So a 12ah battery is 180 bucks. It goes for abouts 800-1200 charging cycles. We will say 1000. That's 18 cents a charging cycle. So 18 cents a "tank" of fuel.

The dewat saw 12ah outruns the tank on the little husky. Barely. But it does. The husky can be refilled 8 times times from a 2 gallon tank. We have. So it holds about a quarter gallon give or take. That's about a dollar now adays.

You think the battery costs a dollar to charge????? It's more limey around 10 cents. If that. I could do the math but too many beers.

Can someone point out a flaw in what I just wrote? Even with the purchase price of the battery. It doesn't seem to work out math wise in the long run to run gas on smaller.stuff that has been engineered to be efficient?

Yeah, the First paragraph doesn’t take into account the cost to charge the battery for those 1,000 cycles.. so it’s not 18cents a tank

But I get your point….

Well since we’re so giddy about electrifying everything, how about electrifying single/double seat ultra light air craft or whatever you call them, we shouldn’t be allowing folks to fly around all willy-nilly polluting the ski.. jk

Hope your enjoying your bears spark plug… good night

 

[WFO Speedracer]

You, and others. Seem to think I support the green movement. I don't. I'm just not a dunce with my head buried in the ground. I see it coming. Did a long time ago.

If you don't believe electric engines are more powerful. Less maintenance. Cheaper More reliable. And quieter. Than a gas engine. Well you can't really be reasoned with logic. So brap brap brap you will go

The rest of the world. Those who want innovation. Want to move forward. Wil continue with what they are doing.

O yes. Did you see they attained fusion a few months ago? Sure it's 100 yes from being usefully. But that is limitless electricity. You gas snobs better pass that bravado down to those youngsters or no one is gonna even know what brap means in 100 years

Toyota the worlds largest auto manufacturer isn't buying into everything going electric, Porsche is working on synthetic fuels for internal combustion engines, they are now recycling plastic into gasoline, there is a lot more stuff going on besides electric and I am all for it.

We are not there on electric vehicles yet, if consumers wanted electric those vehicles have been around since 1884 , the truth is or electrical grid will not support going all electrical this point in time , until it can support it the whole argument is flawed .

I would hate to know my life or welfare totally depended on anything electric as our electric service is sketchy at times , I would also hate to know I had to cut up a tree that had fallen across the road and all I had was an electric chainsaw.

 

[mthomps]

@Sparkplug, im not a snob about anything. Well except grilling. Thats charcoal or bust.

I'm all for innovation, but electric skis for what we do isnt in the near future. Besides the fact a 300ish pound surf/freeride electric boat would have a 15 min ride time no city is going to invest in charging stations at the ramp. Might be sweet for a comp flatwater ski though.

 

[mthomps]

Ill admit I'm a little sentimental about 2 strokes though. Simple powerful machines that just go under extreme conditions are cool.

Old tech that just works has a way of coming back around. Look at vinyl records. Payed 3 dollars for one 10 years ago. Now people pay 30 dollars for a pressing of a digital master.

 

[Sparkplug]

OK. I had some beers last night. I'm here at work now and this saw holds 9.1 ozs of fuel. That's 14 fills for a gallon. Premium is right around 4.29. That's 30 cents a fill on the saw.

I'm gonna run them today. 2 hrs each. Give it a honest go. Thing is. I got done with the electric one already. Its dark or I'd take a Pic. Imagine trying to do that with a 2 stroke saw at 5 am in a rich neighborhood.

 

[Sparkplug]

Yeah, the First paragraph doesn’t take into account the cost to charge the battery for those 1,000 cycles.. so it’s not 18cents a tank

But I get your point….

Well since we’re so giddy about electrifying everything, how about electrifying single/double seat ultra light air craft or whatever you call them, we shouldn’t be allowing folks to fly around all willy-nilly polluting the ski.. jk

Hope your enjoying your bears spark plug… good night

Funny you mention it. They are doing it. And although it's only a hour of flight. That's enough to have a ton of fun.

 

[superjetkev]

Ill stock with my light weight and fixable 2 stroke thanks.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

OK. I had some beers last night. I'm here at work now and this saw holds 9.1 ozs of fuel. That's 14 fills for a gallon. Premium is right around 4.29. That's 30 cents a fill on the saw.

I'm gonna run them today. 2 hrs each. Give it a honest go. Thing is. I got done with the electric one already. Its dark or I'd take a Pic. Imagine trying to do that with a 2 stroke saw at 5 am in a rich neighborhood.

Depends on where you live I suppose gas here is $3.28 a gallon so .23 cents per fillup and since I am on an electrical CoOp I guarantee you the gasoline engine is cheaper, either way a chainsaw will not operate without bar and chain oil, a petroleum product that is getting slug into the environment via the chain, you are polluting any way you go. If saving the planet is your concern I have a really large manual bow saw you can borrow.

 

[Quinc]

Electric can sound cool. Here I hooked up a 400a controller for a car and 50 volts of lipo r/c batteries to an industrial 24v motor.

Crank up the sound.

 

[Quinc]

OK. I had some beers last night. I'm here at work now and this saw holds 9.1 ozs of fuel. That's 14 fills for a gallon. Premium is right around 4.29. That's 30 cents a fill on the saw.

I'm gonna run them today. 2 hrs each. Give it a honest go. Thing is. I got done with the electric one already. Its dark or I'd take a Pic. Imagine trying to do that with a 2 stroke saw at 5 am in a rich neighborhood.

Project farm is why he went with the dewalt saw. When you do your test find a log where the end of the bar only sticks out 1-2 inches and see how many times you can cut through that log. The saw is perfect for limbing trees and great when climbing or clearing a trail. Just not practical for going out and getting a truck load of firewood, Or cutting through a tree more than 12-14".

 

[Jhucke]

Toyota the worlds largest auto manufacturer isn't buying into everything going electric, Porsche is working on synthetic fuels for internal combustion engines, they are now recycling plastic into gasoline, there is a lot more stuff going on besides electric and I am all for it.

We are not there on electric vehicles yet, if consumers wanted electric those vehicles have been around since 1884 , the truth is or electrical grid will not support going all electrical this point in time , until it can support it the whole argument is flawed .

I would hate to know my life or welfare totally depended on anything electric as our electric service is sketchy at times , I would also hate to know I had to cut up a tree that had fallen across the road and all I had was an electric chainsaw.

Yep and it is more than just Porsche developing bio fuels, lots of cool stuff happening.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Yep and it is more than just Porsche developing bio fuels, lots of cool stuff happening.

Yes I heard Exxon -Mobil and Chevron were developing synthetic fuels, Exxon-Mobil already has a MTG Methanol to gasoline program in place, it is basically gasoline with low Sulphur and low Benzene content and can be blended with Methanol or gasoline, they are also heavily invested in Algae biofuel research with a company called Synthetic Genomics since 2009 .

A swiss research project has been launched to investigate making synthetic kerosene (jet fuel) as well.