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Perhaps they'll have something similar for the 2050 E-SuperJet?
ELECTRIC IS HERE!
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Perhaps they'll have something similar for the 2050 E-SuperJet?
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Any of you have kids? The movie Cars 2 goes over what happens with Synthetic fuels. 
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This thread is awesome hahaha
WFO Speedracer
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Yes it lets us separate the dreamers from the realist.
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WFO Speedracer
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By comparison, the internal combustion engine has been nearly perfected.
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The super capacitor battery could be good if they can figure out how to slow down the instantaneous discharge of the capacitor. They can handle at minimum thousands of volts, CDI and spark plug voltage discharge ring a bell? And they can be recharged instantaneously. Plus they've been in use for ages and are essentially the most reliable high output electronic component in use considering what they handle and discharge hundreds of thousands of times...Iunno, I just work here :/
https://electronics360.globalspec.c...acitor-vs-lithium-cell-more-power-less-energy
https://electronics360.globalspec.c...acitor-vs-lithium-cell-more-power-less-energy
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Tree hugger here but can't see the overall benefits of electric when factoring in the negatives. Not really an engine guy but definitely DON'T want my stand up sounding like a Singer sewing machine. Are we going to have to add engine sounds equivalent to putting playing cards in our bike spokes to get sound ? BRAP BRAP BRAP !!
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I agree with @Sparkplug that the drive train and motor of an electric automobile is the most refined propulsion/transmission method.
I have long thought that if Elon Musk would pair his Tesla with an onboard simple, fuel efficient, diesel electric generator (likely a turbine) we would have the best of both world's -- great driveability and unlimited range.
But I doubt that the pagan Earthworshipers (who don't want us to drive at all) and his Chinese funders would allow it.
I have long thought that if Elon Musk would pair his Tesla with an onboard simple, fuel efficient, diesel electric generator (likely a turbine) we would have the best of both world's -- great driveability and unlimited range.
But I doubt that the pagan Earthworshipers (who don't want us to drive at all) and his Chinese funders would allow it.
WFO Speedracer
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Don't quote me on this but I read that some of the vehicles are going to be Hydrogen-electric and Mazda is building a rotary- electric vehicle.
BTW as long as gasifiers exist they can't stop you from driving.
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WFO Speedracer
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I didn't say it was stylish , efficient or even environmentally friendly for that matter, just that it will get you from point A to point B..
A gas/diesel generator will always burn more fuel charging a battery than it would if its engine was instead driving the cars wheels. Saving energy isn't the goal at all, people want to feel better about the way they convert it into motion. Very few new cars have been able to beat a 1980 diesel VW Rabbit in fuel efficiency.
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Yes and what people do not realize or want to admit is that the next environmental issue will be disposal of these batteries once they cycle out, they are already having giant issues with the disposal of wind turbine blades and look at the fiasco they ran into disposing of nuclear materials once they cycled out at nuclear power plants.
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What WFO Speedracer said above is a big part of why I am not convinced.
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Most of you are much younger than me, so realize I have already been through this once, when I was a child in elementary school we were all told everything would be going Nuclear, yep nuclear powered autos, nuclear power plants , the whole nine yards, of course we were also told the US was going to the Metric system, as you know neither of those two ideas panned out. although a lot of things in the US are now measured in metric terms.
I don't see electric as being anything different, it's just the latest make you feel good about destroying the planet BS being shoved down our throats by the government, well that and no more gas stoves
Here is the thing if they discontinued Natural gas production and sale of those appliances the power grid could not even handle that load of electric oven, water heater and furnace usage much less all electric vehicles, the technology simply is not there to do it at the present time..
I don't see electric as being anything different, it's just the latest make you feel good about destroying the planet BS being shoved down our throats by the government, well that and no more gas stoves
Here is the thing if they discontinued Natural gas production and sale of those appliances the power grid could not even handle that load of electric oven, water heater and furnace usage much less all electric vehicles, the technology simply is not there to do it at the present time..
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Just to be fair, battery energy density is obviously still not good compared to a burning fuel.. But it has gotten WAY better since 2004 which your graph has indicated.
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A Lithionics 320Ah lithium battery costs $4,500 and the 3000 watt Inverter/Charger to use the electricity it stores and to recharge it costs another $2400.
And then you need to have POWER to recharge it.
In my case that power comes from diesel (solar is a joke during the Winter).
So give me a break if anyone thinks that electric is efficient in any sense of the word.
Electric may be appropriate or convenient depending on what it is powering, but it is not efficient.
And then you need to have POWER to recharge it.
In my case that power comes from diesel (solar is a joke during the Winter).
So give me a break if anyone thinks that electric is efficient in any sense of the word.
Electric may be appropriate or convenient depending on what it is powering, but it is not efficient.
I'm not here to say what is right or wrong.. I think the argument is that the electric cars, which are not perfect, and have plenty of efficiency losses before the power makes it to the motors, is technically more efficient than petrol, even if it is not by much. So this would also require the investment of infrastructure to support electric vehicles to make them more viable & investment in creating more efficient power plants, which is definitely possible. But obviously I understand that in reality there are so many challenges to all this and its so political, making people really fired up about this topic.