Electrical question

[Flyboy]

Putting my ski together, running a zeel with 760 electronics. Thought my starter relay was bad but same problem. It’s not the start stop, checked it with meter. I’m not getting power to the other side of the relay/solinoid. I’m wondering if something isn’t hooked up correctly. Not sure where to look next. Thanks for the help

 

[Mdavies_02]

Did you test the new relay before putting it in? Simple 12v should hear it pull in.

 

[Flyboy]

New relay works and I checked the old one which works as well

 

[Flyboy]

Any other ideas?

 

[Harbor]

I’m not getting power to the other side of the relay/solinoid.

Had this issue as well. Referring to service info wiring diagram, 12v originated from the B+ battery cable @ the starter relay then to the ebox fuse. From the fused red wire it passes thru an inline connector by the carbs before heading up the poll.

I had B+ 12v from the fused {red wire) on both the start stop side And the ebox side of the inline connector, but none returning back down the poll from the start stop lanyard switches to the relay...

I used a volt meter and wiring diag and followed the 12v around the circuit to find the open circuit... I’d suggest doing this ?

In my case it was the lanyard switch the was keeping the circuit open.

Basically if you find 12v from the fused red wire heading up the poll and not returning Back down then your open is in your start stop lanyard switch harness somewhere.

Typically a switch, the repair switch harness is
Not too expensive from Jetmaniac

 

[ngerk]

Pics may help but just want to make sure you ADDED a power wire for the zeeltronic and didn't use the power wire that's already there?

 

[Flyboy]

Been busy but back at this. Just to be sure I bought a new switch harness and yes I did add a new power wire. I checked the switch and it is getting a signal to the solinoid but still nothing. I will get some pictures but this 760 Ebox has a crazy amount of extra wires in it, so it is hard to tell what is what.

 

[Ancelmo]

I might just be stupid but i had the same problem mine which was that i had the battery and starter wires switched i didnt think it mattered but switched them and it worked

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[Pro-pulsion]

Without testing the relay to know for sure if it's good...which being new I would hope it is, the only thought I can offer is the cure to a Blaster 760 I just finished, and before I go any further this was a suggestion given to me by Quinc. The negative lead from the starter to the battery was a write off. The ski ran perfectly last season, this time it had no connectivity to the starter. I did the same, cleaned the ebox because it needed it desperately lol, tossed in a new solenoid I already had kicking around, full charge in the battery, tested the stator, tested the voltage regulator, I tested everything that came to mind. That's the key right there...that came to mind lol...the negative starter to battery lead did not come to mind until Quinc suggested I look into it. He was right, it was putting up 42 k of resistance. Replaced the wire and the thing rolls over like it's in a sprint race now. He mentioned that it's funny how after so many years of us working on these guys we tend to overlook the surface items because they are what we think to be too easy, couldn't be that. But sure enough, it was that lol. I did the typical mistake and assumed the worst when I saw the ebox looked like it was fresh from Davey Jones locker so, doing my due diligence I cleaned that thing up like new, then saw this really rusted up start solenoid that didn't want to stay clicked in when the start button was pressed...so it was replaced. Did all my tests, or so I thought, put it all back together thinking this was it, done. Same problem. Battery to starter negative lead was deteriorated enough inside the sheath to shut down all current throughput. I take no credit for that repair, that is all thanks to Quinc, in all my time working on skis...and I have many years doing so, that was the first time I have ever seen that. Something new every day still holds truth lol.

 

[Flyboy]

Thanks for the reply. I will look into that.

Should the solinoid be clicking open when you hit the starter button. Are there certain points to check with everything connected. It seems to be a simple setup but it is driving me crazy. Are there certain wires from the 760 setup needs signal from to start?

 

[Pro-pulsion]

I am not familiar with the 760 wiring without looking into the manual. I only know that this particular ski I worked on I only tested the wiring needed to know if the stator was good and the voltage regulator. As far as the solenoid is concerned, when you push the start button, it should click and stay on until you let go of the button. If it just makes a rapid clicking but won't just stay on, then that would suggest the solenoid is defective. The only other reason I can think of off the top of me melon is that maybe one of your wires are broken internally or it's one of those battery leads.

 

[Flyboy]

Well I’m not getting any click from the solenoid when hitting start button. I will double check my ground.

 

[Flyboy]

I think I have narrowed it down, hopefully. So I have a signal from the start switch down to the wires in the ebox but from there I seem to loose the signal once connected to solenoid.

Brown wire from start switch connects to the brown solenoid wire. Black is ground. Red wire from switch goes to fuse and regulator.

 

[Pro-pulsion]

That sounds right, I may be just seeing shadows but is that brown lead going down to the solenoid burnt or rather mildly dark brown charred? It looks to me like it's off colored from the other browns. When you test the charge coil inside the solenoid by those two wires do you get any resistance values?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Now that you have exhausted testing the positive side of the circuit, turn your attention to the ground.
The relay is grounded to the ebox but how is the ebox connected back to the negative side of that battery?

 

[Flyboy]

I have ran a wire direct from ground to negative side of battery. The negative side battery cable is cut because there was a section that lost is cover and I wanted to make sure that wasn’t a problem. Is there supposed to be a ground from negative battery to ground in ebox?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Normally that connection is made through the stator ground but gets missed when troubleshooting the assembly outside the ski.

What do you get if you put the meter on the black and brown wires right on the solenoid?

If you don’t have 12V, just follow the connection points back till you find the last point with voltage.

I’m leaning toward the fuse holder.

Edit: assuming you have a meter.

 

[Flyboy]

Yes, I have a meter. I will check. I have unplugged the fuse holder and connected direct and still nothing.

 

[OCD Solutions]

Is the lanyard plugged in?

 

[OCD Solutions]

What’s going on in this connector? It may just be the angle of the pic but it looks like there are 3 wires in that connector, two brown and a pink?

I’m not that familiar with the Zeel but I’m fairly certain that no connection goes to the solenoid. Did you perhaps mean to wire that to the other brown/white stripe from the stator?