Quinc
Buy a Superjet
- Location
- California
Is a "trued" and welded SBT crank as good as oem?
Freestyle Engine blew-10 hours into it- who is @ fault?
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schicks
Karma Enforcer
- Location
- West Michigan
still sbt
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SpaceCowboy
breaking something
- Location
- Ypsilanti Michigan
So the motor blew up on due to a crappy SBT crank? I don't think there is any mystery here. Call Zack at Powerhouse and get a real crank.
raytherace
Canadian Brapp Dealer
- Location
- St-Ray Beach, QC
lol he make me rebuilt the engine with the SBT crank....................his decision, not mine.
- Location
- Charlotte NC
that is exactly what i was thinking....it always comes around to bite you...karmas a bitch aint she
OCD Solutions
Original, Clean and Dependable Solutions
- Location
- Rentz, GA
SBT mentions using their cranks in their 701's but do they have any official statement towards using them in 850cc BB's? If I read it correctly, the crank was in an 850cc engine correct?
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
- Location
- California
this is stupid. everyone tries to cut corners and this is what happens. 3 failures out of 30-40 is not great. bump your price up and dont offer a lesser quality product.
OP: when you decide to go ahead with something that you are warned about being inferior because you save a couple bucks you better well be ready to eat crow when your d*&% gets shut in the door and you have to replace what you cheaped out on.
OP: when you decide to go ahead with something that you are warned about being inferior because you save a couple bucks you better well be ready to eat crow when your d*&% gets shut in the door and you have to replace what you cheaped out on.
227
Its all about the surf!
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
Nobody warranties tweaked out motors. I've lost a motor that had less 20hrs on it. Shiz happens. Sorry your number came up.
Nuklear6
I Dream 10' Surf!
This is a very important topic to me. This is such a fine line we are discussing here. I've built 100s of 2 stroke engines and I'm still waiting for "that call". I'm extremely careful with machine and assembly work. I do see how it could get what one member called comfortable when assembling engines daily. I do take a conscious effort to slow down and double and triple check every component when assembling an engine. That being said we are all human and a mistake is possible. I have made them, fortunately my double check has mostly always caught my mistake. The few that weren't caught before they left were not catastrophic. That being said I do not think a builder or assembler should be responsible for a purchased part failure. I do think it is fair for a builder/assembler to offer his no charge labor (not free parts) to fix a failed part repair for a good customer.
On another note. Im very suspect of this case. I actually have alot of faith in sbt cranks. Some of there products are junk I KNOW, but there cranks in my experience have been great. I've literally seen an sbt crank hydro lock while running, bend a rod and continue to run (and it was a bb with 89mm pistons). It was Def vibrating but didn't break the rod. And that rod was bent like a pretzel. Have had a few minor main bearing issues but very minor and I mean very minor, most were found not by failure but through disassembly for another reason. And my experience is Def way less then 10% failure. Now for the other choices hot rods is JUNK and has way higher then 10% failure rate. And oems are SO expensive (as someone else stated), you might as well call myself or zack and get a php +4mm chrome moly crank (now that's a crank!).
Chuck Palmucci
CPT Enterprise LLC
609 510 3062
On another note. Im very suspect of this case. I actually have alot of faith in sbt cranks. Some of there products are junk I KNOW, but there cranks in my experience have been great. I've literally seen an sbt crank hydro lock while running, bend a rod and continue to run (and it was a bb with 89mm pistons). It was Def vibrating but didn't break the rod. And that rod was bent like a pretzel. Have had a few minor main bearing issues but very minor and I mean very minor, most were found not by failure but through disassembly for another reason. And my experience is Def way less then 10% failure. Now for the other choices hot rods is JUNK and has way higher then 10% failure rate. And oems are SO expensive (as someone else stated), you might as well call myself or zack and get a php +4mm chrome moly crank (now that's a crank!).
Chuck Palmucci
CPT Enterprise LLC
609 510 3062
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Brotastic
- Location
- Arlington TX
I almost choked from laughing when I found this....
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- Location
- Trumbull CT
So, just really wanted an overall view of who was at fault, and that is why I worded it all the way I did. That way I could get an opinion that was straight up.
That is why I worded it as i did in the initial post, just to get straight up opinions.
Heres the full story for you all.
The engine was purchased. By myself, for a friend, we will call him Bob. I purchased from QJC(Remi). Bob can chime in later if he wants too.
to be clear, this thread wasn't created to blast anyone, not to blast sbt, or the builder, or anyone. It was created to get an opinion.
The engine from Remi, the 850CC, was actually for a friend.
Bob bought the engine, BRAND NEW.
Bob bought the engine, with a matching set of carbs, all purchased from QJC, pretty much bolt on tuned ready.
Bob installed in the engine into his superjet.
Bob rode the superjet, enjoyed it, motor made AWESOME power from what he told me. Rode it for hours, piston was was good etc. ski was running great.
Bob then had a problem one day, when the rod went through the side of the block, destroying the cases, cylinder, sleeves, piston, intake manifold, reeds dome etc. Bob then came to me, i told him that as he knew, the engine was not built by me, but built by QJC, and that I would ship it to QJC for him, that way the engine builder could figure it all out as to what exactly happened, and then we could go from there as to repair options.
The repair did take a little longer then expected, but that was not Remis fault, and not my fault. We had to deal with shipping to canada, and then the Blowsion sleeve used was back ordered, that delay a few more weeks, and then put simply, porting is an art, and the gentlemen that does the porting, takes his time that way its all to spec. Bob was a little upset about the time that it took to rebuild. And i feel bad for that.
So to be clear, I did not build the engine, did not build the ski, did not ride the ski, did not blow the engine. I simply sold it to Bob, as he was a local rider, for the exact same cost Remi sold it to me for(which he gave me a deal on too, so Bob also got the same great deal). Always nice to see other mod stand ups in the area!
Now, the engine is done being rebuilt, with a fairly hefty price tag, I guess it goes along with the saying "gotta pay to play". As it needed new cylinders, new cases, needed resleeve, 2 new pistons, bore, case work, assembly, domes etc.. you guys get the picture. not cheap. Remi helped out with giving a discount on the parts, and the labor. And I plan to further that discount to Bob, to help him out.
Bob is blaming me, that I should have to pay for the entirety of the repair, Remi has made clear, as you all have agreed as well in the previous postings, that it has nothing to do with the seller/builder, and that it was a crank failure, nothing anyone could have foreseen or prevented. And some of you went as far as to say, nothing at all should be covered, as a lot can happen in 10 hours. Which i agree, that is a true statement, I trust Bob though to have told me if the engine sank. But you guys are also right, how does a rod just clean snap.
That being said, This thread was originally created simply to get an opinion from the outside, as to whose at fault when something of this nature happens, because lets be real, its a pretty complicated situation..
And as you all said, it is not the builder, or sellers fault, and that a failure of this type, would land on the buyer. But that being said, I do feel really bad for Bob , being a local guy, who works his behind off, and is a great guy. So that being said, I want to help bob out as much as possible, in addition to what remi has already helped him with.remi has already helped with giving $ off the labor and parts bill for this rebuild.
Just wanted to lay out the full story for everyone. I think that about sums it all up.
What do you guys think is a fair $ amount for me to give Bob? I just want to assure everyone is happy, and Bob gets back on the water quickly, and for as cheap as possible, and just want to be fair throughout this entire situation. As it really isn't a great situation to begin with.
Again, thanks for all your opinions thus far.
That is why I worded it as i did in the initial post, just to get straight up opinions.
Heres the full story for you all.
The engine was purchased. By myself, for a friend, we will call him Bob. I purchased from QJC(Remi). Bob can chime in later if he wants too.
to be clear, this thread wasn't created to blast anyone, not to blast sbt, or the builder, or anyone. It was created to get an opinion.
The engine from Remi, the 850CC, was actually for a friend.
Bob bought the engine, BRAND NEW.
Bob bought the engine, with a matching set of carbs, all purchased from QJC, pretty much bolt on tuned ready.
Bob installed in the engine into his superjet.
Bob rode the superjet, enjoyed it, motor made AWESOME power from what he told me. Rode it for hours, piston was was good etc. ski was running great.
Bob then had a problem one day, when the rod went through the side of the block, destroying the cases, cylinder, sleeves, piston, intake manifold, reeds dome etc. Bob then came to me, i told him that as he knew, the engine was not built by me, but built by QJC, and that I would ship it to QJC for him, that way the engine builder could figure it all out as to what exactly happened, and then we could go from there as to repair options.
The repair did take a little longer then expected, but that was not Remis fault, and not my fault. We had to deal with shipping to canada, and then the Blowsion sleeve used was back ordered, that delay a few more weeks, and then put simply, porting is an art, and the gentlemen that does the porting, takes his time that way its all to spec. Bob was a little upset about the time that it took to rebuild. And i feel bad for that.
So to be clear, I did not build the engine, did not build the ski, did not ride the ski, did not blow the engine. I simply sold it to Bob, as he was a local rider, for the exact same cost Remi sold it to me for(which he gave me a deal on too, so Bob also got the same great deal). Always nice to see other mod stand ups in the area!
Now, the engine is done being rebuilt, with a fairly hefty price tag, I guess it goes along with the saying "gotta pay to play". As it needed new cylinders, new cases, needed resleeve, 2 new pistons, bore, case work, assembly, domes etc.. you guys get the picture. not cheap. Remi helped out with giving a discount on the parts, and the labor. And I plan to further that discount to Bob, to help him out.
Bob is blaming me, that I should have to pay for the entirety of the repair, Remi has made clear, as you all have agreed as well in the previous postings, that it has nothing to do with the seller/builder, and that it was a crank failure, nothing anyone could have foreseen or prevented. And some of you went as far as to say, nothing at all should be covered, as a lot can happen in 10 hours. Which i agree, that is a true statement, I trust Bob though to have told me if the engine sank. But you guys are also right, how does a rod just clean snap.
That being said, This thread was originally created simply to get an opinion from the outside, as to whose at fault when something of this nature happens, because lets be real, its a pretty complicated situation..
And as you all said, it is not the builder, or sellers fault, and that a failure of this type, would land on the buyer. But that being said, I do feel really bad for Bob , being a local guy, who works his behind off, and is a great guy. So that being said, I want to help bob out as much as possible, in addition to what remi has already helped him with.remi has already helped with giving $ off the labor and parts bill for this rebuild.
Just wanted to lay out the full story for everyone. I think that about sums it all up.
What do you guys think is a fair $ amount for me to give Bob? I just want to assure everyone is happy, and Bob gets back on the water quickly, and for as cheap as possible, and just want to be fair throughout this entire situation. As it really isn't a great situation to begin with.
Again, thanks for all your opinions thus far.
Ducky
Back in the game!
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
If your story is completely true, im not sure why you would owe Bob any money at all...you were just a middle man.
Lesson learned, dont be a middle man.
Lesson learned, dont be a middle man.
- Location
- Trumbull CT
matt-
Yes lesson learned there for sure, Im not even sure it would be a middle man, as Bob is(maybe was... depends how much he blames me still after we talk) a good friend of mine, so i simply got the engine for him because Remi and I are good friends, and have went back and forth often.
AT any rate, a few lessons have been learned
I just feel bad, honestly, he blames me for the whole situation, and i just want to make him happy, and get him back on the water riding again. I don't want to be the reason for someone not riding, and if that means shelling out some money to get him back up and going, thats ok by me.
Il see what happens later today, just going to have Bob come by so we can talk and figure this all out for him.
Yes lesson learned there for sure, Im not even sure it would be a middle man, as Bob is(maybe was... depends how much he blames me still after we talk) a good friend of mine, so i simply got the engine for him because Remi and I are good friends, and have went back and forth often.
AT any rate, a few lessons have been learned
I just feel bad, honestly, he blames me for the whole situation, and i just want to make him happy, and get him back on the water riding again. I don't want to be the reason for someone not riding, and if that means shelling out some money to get him back up and going, thats ok by me.
Il see what happens later today, just going to have Bob come by so we can talk and figure this all out for him.
SpaceCowboy
breaking something
- Location
- Ypsilanti Michigan
@Matt Jones BINGO!
Also I wouldn't put anything in my ski I can't afford to fix
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SpaceCowboy
breaking something
- Location
- Ypsilanti Michigan
What crank went back in the ski?
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It sounds like Bob lacks an understanding of the many things that can and might go wrong with a motor. You can do everything right, and something breaks and you are back to square one, forking out double money to get back on the water.
Its part of the game, if you don't like it, buy a complete SBT 701 with a 2 year warranty and sleep well at night and enjoy watching your buddies pass you on the lake. IF you are just the middle man as stated, you owe Bob nothing, but if he is your buddy, you would help him out as you mentioned.
Its part of the game, if you don't like it, buy a complete SBT 701 with a 2 year warranty and sleep well at night and enjoy watching your buddies pass you on the lake. IF you are just the middle man as stated, you owe Bob nothing, but if he is your buddy, you would help him out as you mentioned.