Super Jet Epic VS MSD spark strength thread...

[D-Roc]

i have used the accel wires too for my msd. Also when the msd brain fails and you get no spark but the LED blinks, it may not be the brain but the fuse holder on the main red wire is toast and not allowing the brain to get 12v for its main power source. I know two people know who thought there brains where fried but removed the fuse holder and it is working perfect again. I rode steveUK's ski and it did not cut out but it has a lean hesitation down low, i think that is carbs and he needs a bit of tuning. I think the cutting out issue was his plug wires falling out of his plug caps if you breath on them. lol. If i had the flame TL i would upgrade the coil for a better one (not msd) and install some digital nology wires that keep the fm noises suppressed and blast out a big strong spark.

 

[steve-uk]

Steve I'm calling you out bro... Lucas rode your ski at Wave daze... You told him my flame is good to go...

Your ski cut out just like mine!

But nice try bro...

I have also done some things to the flame that should have meant i blew it up! connected the battery the wrong way, loose plug caps, had my stator cables touching the crank and ran the ignition with no curve selected... she is still going strong and being able to load a new curve in about 20 seconds from deciding to do it to being done is HUGE

no calling out needed..... i addressed that in my post, when i got back from wavedaze i kept blowing fuses, i had two issues, first was my plug cables were loose, second was the stator cables were touching the crank, both due to my poor installation

Lucas told me the ski cut out once while he was on it ...

Lucas also siad that the ski was hitting hard

Since i resolved these i havent had a single issue

 

[Aircraftsalz]

Lake ride today with about 15 or so guys.... Only guy not riding was having EPIC issues, last week his ski ran fine... Must just be the water down this way...

He swapped out the epic for msd at the lake... what do you know the ski ran perfect... Another happy EPIC customer!

 

[Pablo]

Lake ride today with about 15 or so guys.... Only guy not riding was having EPIC issues, last week his ski ran fine... Must just be the water down this way...

He swapped out the epic for msd at the lake... what do you know the ski ran perfect... Another happy EPIC customer!

I would bet most Epic problems come from installation/equipment issues being highlighted. I can't believe that with all the Epics that have been sold that these problems that I've read lately are solely from a design flaw. I almost wonder if peeps aren't advancing their stators and causing excessive advance resulting in hard starts and kick backs. I do know MSD customer support is weak at best and ATP's is fantastic. I'd buy another Epic if needed. Ive never had a Flame but would want the same performance as the MSD if I was going to go through the hassle of battery charging. From Josh's review's and a few others it sounds as though the MSD hits harder and has a hotter spark. Now that Chris posted that the Flame has more juice flowing it may be the shizz.

 

[Lucaumpits]

No doubt your ski ren good and strong, but yes did cut out few times.

I finally bought a epic and tried to install and no luck, so I tought I must have done something wrong, so I called Fred Augustaf one the best knowledge guy around us here, I went over his house we tried 4 BRAND NEW EPICS, with all the same results, backing fireing the crap out my ski, I have a new XS water box and with those back fire my box looks like a SJ RN box all rounded, at mean time brand new stators, coils and brand new starter, you name it, so finally before we gave up he took the one out his own ski, witch was a year old, and fire right up, no issues,

Like Josh said today at the lake the only guy wrenching was Tanner, and that epic is suposted be the new one he has, and no lucky eighter , so we open the ebox and drop a msd in it, he was happy after that.
I do believe the epic is a great upgrade , when works, but to try make that work, it may cost you water box, carbs diaframe,

no calling out needed..... i addressed that in my post, when i got back from wavedaze i kept blowing fuses, i had two issues, first was my plug cables were loose, second was the stator cables were touching the crank, bouth due to my poor installation

Lucas told me the ski cut out once while he was on it ...

Lucas also siad that the ski was hitting hard

Since i resolved these i havent had a single issue

 

[Aircraftsalz]

The Ski at the lake today had the epic installed by a master, this guy has forgot more about jet ski's then most guys know... The guy has five epics, lol

Matter of fact this epic was one of the new ones with corrected parts, later s/n unit ...

I hope the new stuff works better... Just gave my .02 cents on what I've tested.. Our little group of local guys we have basic to wild ski's, we ride a lot and we test a lot of new stuff that some guys never know about.

My problem is I'll tell ya what I think , good, bad , what ever.... I don't hold back to sugar coat stuff

 

[GIL]

I know NOTHING about the EPIC or FLAME systems but can say that when properly setup/installed the MSD t/l is great IMO. 5 years ago BK told me to stay away from the stuff because it's nothing but trouble and so far I have either been the luckiest person on the planet or it really is good stuff.

KEEP IN MIND-It takes me 8 hours to setup a new MSD system. Every connection is soldered, coated in 1211, and then housed in adhesive lined heat shrink and all wiring is tinned marine grade wire and lots of dielelctric grease.

 

[GIL]

The Ski at the lake today had the epic installed by a master, this guy has forgot more about jet ski's then most guys know... The guy has five epics, lol

Matter of fact this epic was one of the new ones with corrected parts, later s/n unit ...

I hope the new stuff works better... Just gave my .02 cents on what I've tested.. Our little group of local guys we have basic to wild ski's, we ride a lot and we test a lot of new stuff that some guys never know about.

My problem is I'll tell ya what I think , good, bad , what ever.... I don't hold back to sugar coat stuff

And that is why YOU are the biggest asset the X has!!! People listen to what you have to say because they know you are telling it like it is!!!

 

[scotts2t]

MSD TL has stopped me from riding before Gil but like you said if it isn't set-up bullet proof it will fail. Finally after having MSD TL for 3 years it is set-up now. I woulld't want to run anything else. My msd had fired fouled plugs many of times.

 

[waxhead]

I have an epic as well, it has been back for the repair and it now sits on my shelf as it doesn't work.
The ski will not fire the plugs and just fouls them all the time. I run the stock cdi now and it runs just fine. My ski has new stator coils and ignition coils as well.
I bought new ones trying to get my epic to run.
No one I know of is actually getting a good run out of the epics, I cant speak for the flame though I have heard good things. I don't want to spend the money on another ignition from the same company when this one cant put this put right.
I now have a 2nd hand epic sitting on my shelf that's been back to be fixed and has had a repair and has less then 5 tanks on it.

 

[McDog]

Mine works just fine with no cutting out or hard start issues. The only issue I had with it was getting my computer to recognize it and get it programmed. It finally worked then immediately my computer stopped recognizing it again after it was re-programmed.

 

[D-Roc]

You guys that have problems have tried the different resistor caps and plugs? I heard they are very fussy with interference. As many people that will come on here that boast of problems with the epics, i would tripple it with the msd units failing. the difference is when you get the msd, it runs outta the box everytime until its time is up.

 

[aramis]

my epic was cutting out on me and also giving me intermittent low rpm problems last fall. Over the winter, I sent it to Chris for the upgrade / mod, and got it back in January. Only about 5 hours on the ski so far since then, but it is now running great and I am very happy. Before and after were both with freshly redone 62t stator and oem coil done by JSS, using the MSD (non-resistor) boots and resistor plugs. I have the NGK resistor boots just in case but haven't needed them. This is all fresh water, no salt.

 

[Tkmww]

Mine was hard to start. Sometimes it would sound like someone hit the engine with a sledgehammer. Would start backwards. Cut out at high speeds. Impossible to tune, even bought different carbs because of it. I took it out and put the msd enhancer in and now it runs like a champ. Another bad run of epics???? I don't have the time to swap everything out. I want to plug it in and go.

 

[waterfreak]

All we really expect out of a "new" AM CDI is that we plug it in and go! ...not spend countless weekends pulling our hair out trying to figure out WTF is going on while your buddies are riding and having a great time!

 

[Tkmww]

All we really expect out of a "new" AM CDI is that we plug it in and go! ...not spend countless weekends pulling our hair out trying to figure out WTF is going on while your buddies are riding and having a great time!

Indeed!

 

[Aircraftsalz]

All we really expect out of a "new" AM CDI is that we plug it in and go! ...not spend countless weekends pulling our hair out trying to figure out WTF is going on while your buddies are riding and having a great time!

Didn't you see my post above... Its the water down here, over the pond & Canada these EPICS & Flames never have a problem....

Steve its only us with issues, must be the broke dick ski's we ride huh?

 

[AtomicPunk]

must be an East coast FL thing, my Epic works great (over a year). ancake:

 

[D-Roc]

Didn't you see my post above... Its the water down here, over the pond & Canada these EPICS & Flames never have a problem....

Steve its only us with issues, must be the broke dick ski's we ride huh?

most of the canadians i know run msd. :Banane09:

 

[Jr Freestyle]

Didn't you see my post above... Its the water down here, over the pond & Canada these EPICS & Flames never have a problem....

Steve its only us with issues, must be the broke dick ski's we ride huh?

Your guys test are more true, you guys are running 12 months of the year. Up here were only get 3 months of ride time, not long enough to get the failures.


I've been running Msd TL for 4 years strong with no problems, but that only equal 1 year of riding flordia time