^^^Still, there is not enough pollutants to show up on any study, which makes sense, because there's way too much water for there to be any significant traces of oil/fuel. From what you're saying, its the oil. Fine, lets say for example I burn 10 gallons of fuel in a day at the lake and I'm using a 50:1 ratio. 30% comes out unburned, according to the enviros. Thats 3 gallons, with a 50:1 ratio. So 0.06 gallons of oil is what I put into the lake approximately. There's something like 4 trillion gallons of water in Lake Mead. So how many people like me would have to show up and ride in a day before there is even a measurable trace of oil in the water? Well, by my math, if 1 million people like me showed up and rode in a single day, you would be able to measure about 0.000000015% oil in the water. I'm not sure what an acceptable level is, but I'm pretty sure that 15 billionths of 1 percent of oil is not going to hurt a fly (ignoring for a minute that it probably takes 5 years before 1 million 2 stroke riders have launched their skis).
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N3vrSat1sfied
Military Member
- Location
- Fort Worth, TX
true on the direct injection, a lot of them are EFI.
As far as MX. If I was still racing competitively then 4 stroke. If I was just riding for fun then 2 stroke! Cant beat the price of parts and the ability to rebuild the top end, in between motos, and 2 strokes are just more fun to ride!
- Location
- Jacksonville, Florida
How about because it's fun and the effects fun has on the brain + your family when your happy,
and then focus on freedom issue,
then capitalism and how many people it employs
and then summarize it's fun again...
Boom A++
and then focus on freedom issue,
then capitalism and how many people it employs
and then summarize it's fun again...
Boom A++
So what you are saying is that after a million riders polute the water there is 0.000000015% more oil now in the system then if no one was riding.
0.000000015% > 0.000000000%
schicks
Karma Enforcer
- Location
- West Michigan
If the tree huggers are truly concerned about the environment and the pollutants the sport of jet skiing causes, then they better ban the gasoline engine all together 4s and 2s (otherwise they are racist and hypocritical
The way i see it, the BP oil spill put more pollutants and oil into the environment in 2 seconds than what jet skis will do in a thousand years. So in the grand scheme of things, nobody should really care or worry themselves about it, and our governments local and federal should be focusing on larger issue that face our country right now. I think there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to pollution and environmental effects than jet skiing, common!
However, the only argument to ban 2s is noise and as long as its under the noise limit its a non issue. But I also say this is a free country, if you have a problem with it; you are free and encouraged to leave.
The way i see it, the BP oil spill put more pollutants and oil into the environment in 2 seconds than what jet skis will do in a thousand years. So in the grand scheme of things, nobody should really care or worry themselves about it, and our governments local and federal should be focusing on larger issue that face our country right now. I think there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to pollution and environmental effects than jet skiing, common!However, the only argument to ban 2s is noise and as long as its under the noise limit its a non issue. But I also say this is a free country, if you have a problem with it; you are free and encouraged to leave.
If the tree huggers are truly concerned about the environment and the pollutants the sport of jet skiing causes, then they better ban the gasoline engine all together 4s and 2s (otherwise they are racist and hypocritical
However, the only argument to ban 2s is noise and as long as its under the noise limit its a non issue. But I also say this is a free country, if you have a problem with it; you are free and encouraged to leave.
I think you accidently said your last sentence backwards. It seems to be, If you have problems; you are free and encouraged to bring them here with you. :-/
From a practical standpoint 0.000000015% = 0.000000000% .
Practical..??? I thought we were discussing the farfetched rules and regulations placed on PWC riders?
I am curious to know how many registered pre-2006 2-stroke PWCs are registered with the people? Because I am still unsure of how/who is going to enforce this rule and who is going to pay for it?
So if the government says I can’t ride on a certain lake they can certainly pay me full retail price to replace the 3 skis I have that DO NOT meet the requirement…in the mean time I’ll take my chances :nana:
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
- Location
- St. Pete, FL
Less than the pollution caused by the Eco nut's hybrid car burning fuel and disposing of batteries. Unless they are walking barefoot and naked communicating only by voice, they are hypocrites. But there's no environmental impact in their iPads and webcasts, or the delivery of their sound systems and stages for they rallies, right?
You lost me on that last post N8. I was just trying to say that the amount of oil pollution produced in the lake in a hypothetical day of an extreme amount of 2-strokers would be affectively zero.
How will they enforce it? Its still a question but so far they haven't done much enforcing. I have one friend who was kicked off the lake but there were other circumstances involved, and he was only warned not cited.
How will they enforce it? Its still a question but so far they haven't done much enforcing. I have one friend who was kicked off the lake but there were other circumstances involved, and he was only warned not cited.
Half flip95
Formerly pondracer95
- Location
- Lake Havasu City AZ
a shark can smell a drop of blood from a mile away
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- fortcollins
although our voice is small, there are more of us than there is of them, when their buddy who owns the marina goes under cause of the loss of sales we give him(beer, fuel, food, ice and junk we forgot) they will want us back, when the road going to the marina falls apart due to lack of funds from decressed park pass sales they will want us back, when the hotel they own goes under cause guys like me are going other places now they will want us back, when the fun little vacation town that they thought they saving turns into a ghost-town they will want us back. i wish the tree huggn do-gooders and the rich SOB's could understand the big picture but they never do, they will never be able to make the connection from us to the local economy, if anything i just mentiond would actually happen, the solution they come up with would be to raise taxes or raise retail prices on merchandise to make up for the losses, GREAT PLAN. these F_cks just dont like us, it has nothing to do with 2 stroke or not cause you dont see any studies about pollutants from a 500gal or more a day yacht
Their private jets and yachts burn more fuel in one day than we use in a whole season.
Sorry tshank, last post made half sense, lol. I was agreeing with you, the amount of polution is soo minimal compared with the amount of water it would be just about unmeasurable. I am sure that the skis polute the lake at the same rate as duck farts...and how would you ever measure the effects duck farts have on the lake? Maybe we should extend duck season so there are fewer ducks to polute the water. I am just saying that this ban is ridiculous.
I mostly agree with you. I know that the local economy here is losing millions of dollars over this ban. I dont think there are more of us though. Its basically those of us who ride standups vs. everybody who doesn't. There's plenty of people who don't set foot in a national park that probably hear something about cleaning up the environment in parks and agree with with the ban. It doesn't affect them, so why should they care as long as it sounds like were doing something good for the planet.
The twostroke ban is mostly political and the laws come from mostly hypocrites. We have an ever growing billionaire class that is in control of public policy. They do not want to be bothered by poor folks. This isnt a problem at the country club or private airport. Lakes however are the only place where people from ALL social classes mingle. It is no coincidence that environmental legislation affects only the lower half.