Factory pipe, B vs. dry?

[Patio_Furniture]

I am in the market for a new pipe for my sj and it seems that factory pipes are the most popular around here. But I was wondering what the performance differences were between the factory B pipe and their dry pipe along with pros and cons people have run into.

Also, I was wondering how other brands compared because they are selling for a bit cheaper.

Thanks,

Patio_Furniture

 

[Big Kahuna]

the B Pipe is the preferred pipe by most freeriders/freestylers. It is a very durable pipe which requires very little maintenance compaired to the dry pipe. The dry does require more work to make it work right, but it does make more power from mid to top end. But like I said, there is more maintenance required with it........

 

[Patio_Furniture]

IC.. but how do other wet pipes compare like coffman 's for example?

 

[Crab]

Get the type 4 or riva freeride, you won't even look back.

 

[STEELDOGG]

Get the type 4 or riva freeride, you won't even look back.

X 2

 

[Patio_Furniture]

who makes the type 4 your talking about? and what is the X 2?

 

[Kennay]

factory made the type 4

and the "X2" thing was basically saying agreed

 

[Patio_Furniture]

got it.

 

[bad93blaster]

the B Pipe is the preferred pipe by most freeriders/freestylers. It is a very durable pipe which requires very little maintenance compaired to the dry pipe. The dry does require more work to make it work right, but it does make more power from mid to top end. But like I said, there is more maintenance required with it........

what is this maintenance you have to do with a dry pipe ? i put mine on 2 years ago with no problems. im pretty sure my ski isnt lacking in bottom end.


speedwerx race pipe

 

[Speedfreak]

what is this maintenance you have to do with a dry pipe ? i put mine on 2 years ago with no problems. im pretty sure my ski isnt lacking in bottom end.


speedwerx race pipe

If you think that race pipe isn't lacking on bottom end then you haven't ran the speedwerx freestyle pipe. Take the RPM's off of the top end of that pipe and make it hit lower than it already does. That is bottom end.

I am still looking for a speedwerx freestyle pipe. I want to try one on a stroker motor.

 

[Big Kahuna]

what is this maintenance you have to do with a dry pipe ? i put mine on 2 years ago with no problems. im pretty sure my ski isnt lacking in bottom end.


speedwerx race pipe

1. alignment issues for many people, if the pipe to manifold alignment is off, which many is you will blow orings and couplers. Once you get this straightened out then the pipe does become more reliable...... None of this type of work has to be done to a B Pipe... No slotting of mounting tabs, making sure the coupler is not cut crooked or too long. definately no cutting of the hull to make the pipe fit.

2. No special mounts have to be used to mount the B Pipe, just bolt it on and go, with the Dry, you have to use a bracket that can have the threads get stripped out, lord mounts that can break, bolts that rust (many lord mounts do not use stainless studs and bolts).

3. Modifying a hood so the dry pipe will fit under it. This is an issue for sum.

4. With a dry pipe, depending on your compression and timing you may have to run higher octane than you would on a wet pipe. Conceding, the dry can make more power at different RPM's than a wet pipe.


Of all the dry's I prefer the Speedwerx...... If I were to build a lake ski that was just for ripping it up, not freestyle oriented it would have a speedwerx pipe.

 

[AdamOntario]

1. alignment issues for many people, if the pipe to manifold alignment is off, which many is you will blow orings and couplers. Once you get this straightened out then the pipe does become more reliable...... None of this type of work has to be done to a B Pipe... No slotting of mounting tabs, making sure the coupler is not cut crooked or too long. definately no cutting of the hull to make the pipe fit.

2. No special mounts have to be used to mount the B Pipe, just bolt it on and go, with the Dry, you have to use a bracket that can have the threads get stripped out, lord mounts that can break, bolts that rust (many lord mounts do not use stainless studs and bolts).

3. Modifying a hood so the dry pipe will fit under it. This is an issue for sum.

4. With a dry pipe, depending on your compression and timing you may have to run higher octane than you would on a wet pipe. Conceding, the dry can make more power at different RPM's than a wet pipe.


Of all the dry's I prefer the Speedwerx...... If I were to build a lake ski that was just for ripping it up, not freestyle oriented it would have a speedwerx pipe.

I gotta say I disagree:

1. ever since switching to heavier coupler not an issue

2. if you strip the thread I would worry about your mechanical skills or more importantly proper use of mechanics best friend - Torque wrench if you cannot do it by hand

3. stock hood never an issue, maybe on am hoods

4. yes hence more power or retard timing or step compression down.

ALSO you have to mention setting up a b-pipe, ie. the water screws. This was the main reason that I went with dry - less setup and testing

 

[bad93blaster]

1. alignment issues for many people, if the pipe to manifold alignment is off, which many is you will blow orings and couplers. Once you get this straightened out then the pipe does become more reliable...... None of this type of work has to be done to a B Pipe... No slotting of mounting tabs, making sure the coupler is not cut crooked or too long. definately no cutting of the hull to make the pipe fit.

2. No special mounts have to be used to mount the B Pipe, just bolt it on and go, with the Dry, you have to use a bracket that can have the threads get stripped out, lord mounts that can break, bolts that rust (many lord mounts do not use stainless studs and bolts).

3. Modifying a hood so the dry pipe will fit under it. This is an issue for sum.

4. With a dry pipe, depending on your compression and timing you may have to run higher octane than you would on a wet pipe. Conceding, the dry can make more power at different RPM's than a wet pipe.


Of all the dry's I prefer the Speedwerx...... If I were to build a lake ski that was just for ripping it up, not freestyle oriented it would have a speedwerx pipe.

ok it takes more time to install

where is all this maintenance you speak of ?

a b-pipe makes good power on the bottom end and lacks it in the mid and top
a dry pipe makes good power bottom, mid and top end

 

[bad93blaster]

If you think that race pipe isn't lacking on bottom end then you haven't ran the speedwerx freestyle pipe. Take the RPM's off of the top end of that pipe and make it hit lower than it already does. That is bottom end.

I am still looking for a speedwerx freestyle pipe. I want to try one on a stroker motor.

i would love to find one

 

[Patio_Furniture]

So for freestyle (low end hit) a B pipe or speedwerx freestyle pipe are the top dogs?

 

[Speedfreak]

I would change your list.
1. Speedwerx freestyle
2. Speedwerx race
3. B pipe

BUT I can't really comment on the b pipes yet. But here is my view on the pipes so far.
My last ski started it's limited life with a speedwerx race pipe. Then I went to a speedwerx freestyle pipe. I only have one year with the b pipe. And it was a blaster mod pipe which had a TON of problems. It wouldn't stay in coupler, hit the hood, and was a pain to get it fit without hitting the gas tank or the side of the ski. So now I have a b pipe with a limited chamber. (Which is modified also but I will be testing that later).

So with my experience so far. For a limited ski go with a speedwerx no matter what pipe it is it will be better than the rest. NO hitting issues, no problems after you get it installed correctly, super easy to install after you figure it out. Plus more bottom end and no water issues with the jetting screws.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I gotta say I disagree:

1. ever since switching to heavier coupler not an issue

2. if you strip the thread I would worry about your mechanical skills or more importantly proper use of mechanics best friend - Torque wrench if you cannot do it by hand

3. stock hood never an issue, maybe on am hoods

4. yes hence more power or retard timing or step compression down.

ALSO you have to mention setting up a b-pipe, ie. the water screws. This was the main reason that I went with dry - less setup and testing

Have you blown an oring or coupler???


I never said anything about stripping anything on the head....... Referring to the external bracket that you mount to the head.

If the drys were that much better then they would be selling for 600.00 used instead of 350-400.00


But if you like it, that is great.... I have used both, I will take the B Pipe.

 

[Officer Mike]

i am another type 4 fan just run a set a one step lower domes than you would run on a b pipe. mine isnt hard to install once you do it a time or two. besides that stuff is always fun. just depends on what you want to spend and how you want installation to be

 

[Gainera2582]

I have ridden adamontarios ski(type 4) and it hits just as hard if not harder than a normal bpipe setup all around with just stock porting.

All pipes have their pros and cons, but the name of the game comes down to installing it correctly and being preventative about the maitenance of these pipes.

 

[Crab]

Watched my ski get rolled last night by NWDayton, he got more height by far on mine than a Bpiped one he was doing just before that, plate to plate on mine, and about 7/8 on the other, both limited setups.