cookn
Kamikaze
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Don't pollute this poor kids thread with your own frustrations
Flatwater Backflip
- Thread starter BradyK
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- Home of the Steelers!
Sincerely... I'm one of the people who originally gave a deposit to Steve of Trendsetterz and was gonna be out my deposit if it weren't for Josh of California Freestyle. He's a stand up guy who makes a great hull. I now have two aftermarket hulls, Phantom and FootRocket (both glass) and the Phantom is definitely more of a flat water ski and CONSIDERABLY lighter. Although I did just have the Phantom out in six foot surf on Lake Erie last weekend and she really performed well.
If I was starting off as a newb I would wait until after World Finals (when it seems everyone dumps their skis for new builds) and pick up a RTR used ski in the sub 10K range. That way you don't waste all your time building a ski (spend your time riding).
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Those pics r pretty cool! I actually remember that pic! Too bad it took so long to get my hands on that original plug and build molds! Do u notice the name on the text messages?
Ducky
Back in the game!
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- Charlotte, NC
So are you saying that someone named Josh would not be the same person as someone named Steve?
mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
The whole situation with @sinisterjosh209 sucks for him. Josh is a cool dude and lucky to meet him in Havasu last October and again in April this year. The way I see it day #1 that he owns the molds is whenever he owes anybody a hull unless there was a deal with Steve to cover the down payments. It sucks to see it happen but that's like asking Freestyle Factory a refund because now they own the Backie Chan molds that they owe somebody money. The only person I can see who is responsible is Steve, Josh might have thought he could get you your money back but he can't be Oprah and just giving people money. He has a business to run. I have never ridden a Phantom but I liked my Chan so I will give Phantoms a bump and hope to ride @jonolove two skis really soon as they have power plants near comparison to what I have had and currently own.
OP, if your parents are writing the check for you then might want to see how big of an amount you have to spend in order to get you a solid ski. In order to BF and have a quality hull and drivetrain I think you will be looking at $10+. Those that flip on smaller setups have been riding for some time. I will say more HP will compensate for skills. I did not have the skills for my 1105 DVX but as my favorite Sacramento buddy once said. "Who gives a F8ck what you might deserve, if you can pay for it you deserve it". That being said, your budget should be the first thing you NEED to figure out before you start demo skis. Almost 90% of time people who are flipping flatwater have 10k or more in their ski. So if you can't afford that you might as well not waste your time looking at an AM and get a superjet and ride and ride and ride. By the time you can afford a flip ski there will be new hulls and drivetrains out there and prices may be different.
OP, if your parents are writing the check for you then might want to see how big of an amount you have to spend in order to get you a solid ski. In order to BF and have a quality hull and drivetrain I think you will be looking at $10+. Those that flip on smaller setups have been riding for some time. I will say more HP will compensate for skills. I did not have the skills for my 1105 DVX but as my favorite Sacramento buddy once said. "Who gives a F8ck what you might deserve, if you can pay for it you deserve it". That being said, your budget should be the first thing you NEED to figure out before you start demo skis. Almost 90% of time people who are flipping flatwater have 10k or more in their ski. So if you can't afford that you might as well not waste your time looking at an AM and get a superjet and ride and ride and ride. By the time you can afford a flip ski there will be new hulls and drivetrains out there and prices may be different.
I mean, over heard over a million different opinions. 99% of what you said is factual and true, but on the other hand I have Josh a call today concerned about his hulls and he gave me some solid advice. One of the many things he said was that the smaller power plant you run, the better you will be at flipping through time. Not like he said it would come natural, but he said that way you're more capable of fucusing on the technique and not just trying to throw her backwards with the power from the engine. My plan is to work my way up though, I just thought I'd get a decent idea of what I was getting into. Guess I got too anxious and curious, but it's just one step at a time through my eyes
mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
Correct the better your form will be when taking your time and starting with a smaller power plant. 100% true, larger power just compensates for lack of skill and you will be able to flip faster than if you had a smaller drive train is all I was getting at. It took me a couple of years of growing in motor sizes to get to my 1100. I still belong on a smaller motor but just one of those perks. I started on a kawi650, 781, 964, then 1105. I somewhat tools steps but went to the next step faster than I NEEDED to. I am not saying go straight to a big motor, start off small but don't go too small if you want hopes of throwing a flip on setup or off a boat wake. But like I said, depends on budget
Yeah very understandable. My plan is to find a decent SJ with some footholds and some other goodies, then get a decently built and priced aftermarket hull, transport everything over and then build up from there. My only worry is I'll get used to the SJ motor and want bigger over time. Tends to happen with most, we all either want what we can't have, or the best of the best. Regardless, it will definitely take time but I would eventually love to join y'all in the sport some day!!
Your sj motor is going to feel a lot more powerful in a lighter am hull. You probably will get use to it but when you swap it over it will feel like you upgraded the motor too
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I've been riding my modded rn for a little over a year now, I'm quite used to the power now. I recently jumped on a friend's carbon hull with the same driveline as my rn and was blown away how much the hull changes the ride/power to weight ratio. So if i were you I'd get a decent rn 701 ride that for awhile till you've maxed out its abilities then look for a hull.
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Very good point. I thought of that but I didn't know if it was a drastic change or not. Good to know though!!
Would it be better to buy a SJ already built or but a SJ hull and a 701 separate?
Easiest way is to buy one already built then you can focus on riding and getting as much try time as you can
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Like said earlier in here it's alot less work to buy something rtr, try to find a modded round nose sj and ride it
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Just patiently waiting for a good deal
Just something simple and reliable. Basic mods will go along way. Bpipe, head, and prop. I never liked foot holds until I bought my Dvx. I just ran foot straps in surf stance. If you decide on foot holds check out the 615 holds Toby makes and install them as far apart as you can
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How hard is it to pull anything off without footholds?
That's what I was thinking. Didnt know how it was possible to maintain posture without them