How many people want a factory pipe !

i have a c4 chamber which definitely is not the same quality of stainless as the tnt chamber, but its still a nice chamber. and makes good power. ive never seen the headpipes and manifolds in person to know the quality of those. but how well they hold up is all relative to how well you take care of it. many factory headpipes out there that are basically useless without operational injection screws.
 
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Wisconsin
You shut your w**re mouth you! [joking, kinda :)]
They are already stupid expensive for what your getting if you ask me. All these laydowns selling for more, that's crazy to me. Bunch of rich folks into standups it seems.

The money isn't there to sell for less. Whoever that decides to stick their neck out to create tooling for a pipe would be crazy if you ask me. The price of tooling is very high & subject to tons of testing once something actually is produced. All that just to sell a very low amount of pipes each year to an extremely niche market that has next to zero OEM support. The price on a b pipe copy wouldn't be close to what FPP does it for. Didn't TNT, super reputable engine builder, start making pipes that fit in a superjet hull, and no one bought them.. then went to laydown style? Imagine if some no name did it. It's never going to happen.

The only way I see this working out is if FPP would decide to sell the tooling to someone willing to pull the packaging together to do this.
 

SUPERJET-113

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Am I wrong or did FPP start out making PWC exhaust pipes/manifold in the beginning? I don't really know their history.

I just know that in 1995 I bought a new B pipe from them and it was $525. If you take care of them, they will last your lifetime of riding.

Haha, yeah, surprised there are no chinese knock off B pipes, or are there? :)
 
The money isn't there to sell for less. Whoever that decides to stick their neck out to create tooling for a pipe would be crazy if you ask me. The price of tooling is very high & subject to tons of testing once something actually is produced. All that just to sell a very low amount of pipes each year to an extremely niche market that has next to zero OEM support. The price on a b pipe copy wouldn't be close to what FPP does it for. Didn't TNT, super reputable engine builder, start making pipes that fit in a superjet hull, and no one bought them.. then went to laydown style? Imagine if some no name did it. It's never going to happen.

The only way I see this working out is if FPP would decide to sell the tooling to someone willing to pull the packaging together to do this.
Yeah bunch of pipe dreamers “if I had more time” or “thinking about making”. I’m guessing this thread is a repeat of a repeat and probably gone down this same path every year. Nobody ever follows through when the commitment and outlay comes due. Aftermarket jet ski business is tough, I’ve said it many times here, we are lucky to have the few companies that we do making parts. Many of them do it for the sport and not for the money. Factory Pipe can honestly give two sh*#ts to make pipes for the money. After a bunch of orders pile up they make enough to offload most of them right away and y’all out of their hair for a while. No disrespect meant, just the way it is...
 
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Wisconsin
Yeah bunch of pipe dreamers “if I had more time” or “thinking about making”. I’m guessing this thread is a repeat of a repeat and probably gone down this same path every year. Nobody ever follows through when the commitment and outlay comes due. Aftermarket jet ski business is tough, I’ve said it many times here, we are lucky to have the few companies that we do making parts. Many of them do it for the sport and not for the money. Factory Pipe can honestly give two sh*#ts to make pipes for the money. After a bunch of orders pile up they make enough to offload most of them right away and y’all out of their hair for a while. No disrespect meant, just the way it is...

Yeah exactly, just wait until they have to put together a casting print and get hit with a $20k tooling bill per part without even seeing a prototype. Which is just the beginning of the manufacturing headache this would be. And after that receive a seize and desist letter from factory pipe after blatantly copying their designs once they start to sell.

Side note: if anyone is crazy enough to try, fix the damn bolt interference on the manifold!

J persons, they supply exhaust components to Polaris and probably other OEM's. FPP is nothing to them.
 

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
I mean what does factory pipe make now like the only thing on there website is pwc pipes
Former Masonite Corp. plant along Highway 101 in Ukiah, as seen in 2008. Factory purchased 10 acres of the plant that includes two buildings.[/caption]





UKIAH -- New life for the former Masonite plant in north Ukiah as a home for multiple manufacturers began early this month as a growing local maker of exhaust systems for personal watercraft and snowmobiles begins a $6 million project this year to triple the size of its production plant.


As Mendocino Industrial Park, LLC, Factory Pipe owner and President Ross Liberty on Dec. 21 purchased about 10 acres of land with 135,000 square feet in two existing buildings from a group of investors that had been trying for several years to build a regional retail center then mixed-use development called Mendocino Crossings.


The purchase price was around $3 million, and about that much is expected be spent on tenant improvements in coming months to meet a planned move-in timeframe of late October or early November. Cleanup work at the site began this month. County permits are being sought for $500,000 in electrical upgrades, new roofs and building office space.


Factory Pipe (707-463-1322, factorypipe.com) employs 43 in the 42,000-square-foot plant it has occupied for 22 years at 150 Parducci Rd. Sales doubled to $9 million in 2011 from 2009 and are projected to do so again in the next two to three years, according to Mr. Liberty, 55. The company was targeting sales of more than $10 million last year.


"Right now, our production capacity is the limit of our sales," he said. "If we could make more, we could sell more."



Started when Mr. Liberty was in the seventh grade, Factory Pipe's claim to fame is its high-performance exhaust systems for small engines. The company makes aftermarket upgrades and parts for vehicle manufacturers.



Polaris Industries is the biggest customer. Factory Pipe is the sole supplier of exhaust systems for snowmobiles, which make up about one-fifth of Polaris sales. Factory Pipe has expanded into making parts for Polaris' all-terrain and utility vehicles, which account for the bulk of that company's personal-vehicle sales.



Factory Pipe production workers are welders, but their job these days is checking welds and adjusting the robotic welders, according to Mr. Liberty. Production demands and higher cost of living in California have made such automation essential to compete with manufacturers outside the state and country, he said.


Masonite Corp. was Ukiah's largest employer before it shut the plant down in 2001. An investor group led by shopping center builder Developers Diversified Realty acquired part of the property and tried to build 800,000 square feet on 80 acres. Residents voted down the plan, and 2011 Ukiah Valley Area Plan retained industrial zoning for the property.


The site was Mr. Liberty's first expansion choice, but he said the owners weren't interested in selling land a year ago. Development consultant Tony Shaw, who had been county economic development director, helped him make connections with the ownership and work out a deal over the past six months.
 

bored&stroked

Urban redneck
Location
AZ
The money isn't there to sell for less.

That's the thing though. The tooling has been made, and paid off, for decades at this point. Every pipe they make it pure profit. Doesn't make sense to just have it sit around and not make them money.
 
be cool if factory pipe just sold all of their tooling for the pipes for both Kawasaki and Yamaha to someone who could start reproducing them. bring back all of the older stuff.
I can see why theyre not doing the bpipes much anymore especially with no 2 stroke new production skis around anymore and no sign of them coming back.

tnt was just making chambers that used the factory headpipe and manifolds, he never made those that im aware of. he now makes laydown pipes.
 
I also think part o f the problem could be no new production skis. I wanna know why nobody has made a 4 stroke ski i mean like the new husky motorcyles aren't heavy the whole motor and trans is like 100 pounds if they just used two of those it wouldn't be much heavier. Take the trans off obviously but they make a ton of power and rev to like 10k rpm.
 
I also think part o f the problem could be no new production skis. I wanna know why nobody has made a 4 stroke ski i mean like the new husky motorcyles aren't heavy the whole motor and trans is like 100 pounds if they just used two of those it wouldn't be much heavier. Take the trans off obviously but they make a ton of power and rev to like 10k rpm.
Supply and demand..... 99.9% of the ski market want's couches. If there was a large demand they would make them but sadly there isn't.
 
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dfw
Backflip boats use laydown pipes. Pre backflip equipment is just getting old. Last weekend I counted two rickters, two square nose, one SXR, and FIVE 550s! I wonder if WestCoast will make another batch of 550 pipes?
 
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