Hull mods! Tips and help

Recently blew my 701 up and am in the process of rebuilding. Since the motor is pulled I guess now is that time for adding a scupper and doing some reinforcement. Any tips or tricks would be great! Not sure how you go about splitting the hull in half to even begin. Already have foot holds and an aftermarket pole. What else can I do?
 

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I'd would recommend not splitting the hull in half to add the scupper I would just cut the tray out and at the same time I would refoam the tray

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I was about to put a scupper in my round nose, and from what research I did your able to put one in just by cutting out the tray, I have not personally done it so I can't say it's going to be easier or harder, but it seems like a whole lots less work

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I wouldnt cut into the tray unless it's waterlogged at which point it would be worth the time and money spent. Dual bilges would be plenty. Tubbies and If you're doing freestyle then consider cutting 2-3 inches off the back.
 

E350

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I burned out the "lighting" coil on the '94 SN SJ by running dual bilges. Replace the intermediate shaft housing and run a single bilge pump. Buy oem from @JetManiac here. He is an excellent businessman. Fast shipping and reasonable prices.
 
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Quinc

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I burned out the "lighting" coil on the '94 SN SJ by running dual bilges. Replace the intermediate shaft housing and run a single bilge pump. Buy oem from @JetManiac here. He is an excellent businessman. Fast shipping and reasonable prices.

You must have had some bad electrics and the bilge was just enough to expose it? I've run 2x bilges for years and never an issue.

Lots of threads here where people have done everything you can imagine to a SJ.
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?forums/my-ski-and-buildups.15/
 
I have had 2 bilges and never had an issue either.... Just wired up from battery to switch to pumps (switch ground/ negative) You can install a scupper without even removing tray (unless a square has something I am not familiar with.... Use a piece of correct size conduit with teeth cut on the end to cut out the foam from inside hull to hole in transom). I would install one with engine out. A nice little nose cut would be good too.....
 

Roseand

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Run dual bilge pumps and mod the hoodliner, and make sure the hood is sealing in every spot. Should be more than enough needed!
Shouldn't be a need for a scupper on a superjet for rec riding.
 

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Recently blew my 701 up and am in the process of rebuilding. Since the motor is pulled I guess now is that time for adding a scupper ... What else can I do?

I don't actually know what a "scupper" is. But all SJ's came with a passive bilge drain which is sucked clear by its attachment to the pump. If the boat is water tight, it is generally sufficient to drain the engine comparment when the pump is running:
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But it won't empty your boat when it is swamped with the engine/pump stalled. So, order the bilge kit from Blowsion or JetManiac.

Quinc and others here know way more than me. However, IMHO, if the oem passive bilge drain and a single Rule 500 bilge pump can't keep up with draining your engine compartment, you need to make your hull water tight. For me, this meant replacing the oem intermediate shaft (from JetManiac).

If you haven't replaced your choke with a primer, I recommend it. (Use tape to prevent dropping the two little brass choke screws into the carb.)

And I recommend disconnecting the hoses to the fuel selector switch and capping their ports on the tank and routing the reserve pick up to the primer "T" to the carb.

Finally, your SN is not newer than 1995. Today, I smelled raw fuel in the engine compartment of my wife's 1994 SN SJ. What was leaking? I rebuilt the Yamaha version of the Mikuni SBN44 (square pump) last month. Was it leaking? No. Was it that fancy orange/clear Fast Flow Fuel Line which everyone bags on because it gets brittle? No. It was the 25 year old black oem fuel line which is brittle and split where it attaches at the carb. So, I am replacing all the fuel line for now with that orange/clear Fast Flow Fuel Line because I have it. I would like to replace it with the black oem fuel line if I can find it in bulk. But replace your fuel line to avoid an explosion...
 
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Vumad

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I added rear exhaust to my X2 without cutting anything. I simply used a hole saw on the inside and outside. I used a piece of aluminum pipe for my exhaust longer than I needed and cut teeth into it. I then used the exhaust pipe to cut the foam out, cut the teeth off when I was done. You can do the same thing with a scupper if you like.

Make sure you know the risks of a scupper. They let water out, which means they let air out too. When your ski is up-side down, the engine compartment retains air creating buoyancy. Scupper allow that air out, extremely fast, so you ski swamps faster and is more likely to sink completely. This is why your stock hood tubes go near the bottom of the hull, to be above the water line when the ski is up-side down. Properly installed pole breathers do the same.

Scupper's also leak where bilges do not, which matters if you break down. Fewer leaks means longer floating without power.

Lots of people run scuppers. They are animals/machines that go hard and don't stop. You might install one and love it. The rest of us love that bilges give us an excuse to get a breath in during the ride.

I'm also not a believer in reinforcement unless you are inverting. If you are not rolling or flipping, then you likely don't need very much reinforcement. A lot of riding can be done without it. People do break hulls and that old square might have glue deterioration, but don't get caught up in what everyone does because of what they might do. Be realistic about your riding. If you want to start learning that stuff, then go for it, but I was talked into a lot of mods on my X2 I never really needed. Plenty of superjets are abused in the surf without the unnecessary weight of reinforcement. Give the hull and pole base some consideration, but don't do it simply because "they" say you "have to".

So, just a little nay-saying to offer some counter points. If the mods are right for you, go nuts.
 
I’ve already got the dual bilge mod. Never had an issue with electrical going out. My consideration with the scupper was only to get all the water out of my hull after a ride. The bilges never fully empty the Water from the hull. So it’s constantly sitting in there trapped. I leave my skis on the jet dock down in my slip.
 

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Hilarious! Alec please accept my apologies. My advice, which is based on my personal but limited experience, was totally off base! You already have two bilge pumps and want to put a hole in your hull to drain the ski while on jet dock in your slip. I never saw that coming!

I have a small wet/dry shop vac next to where I park the jet ski trailer to vac up the remaining water in the engine compartment. If you already have electricity at the dock (say for a boat lift) maybe you could consider that method if you haven't already.

Vumad, thank you for explaining scuppers.

Personally, I wouldn't put a hole in my hull.
 
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I’ve already got the dual bilge mod. Never had an issue with electrical going out. My consideration with the scupper was only to get all the water out of my hull after a ride. The bilges never fully empty the Water from the hull. So it’s constantly sitting in there trapped. I leave my skis on the jet dock down in my slip.

Fwiw, The scupper won't get all the water out with a bulk head and scupper, like your sj would have. Mine does'nt even after trailering a few miles around town.

I use a 1/4 chunk of car a wash sponge and sponge it out. Helps if the noise is slightly higher so water collects at rear of bilge.. just take a few minutes.
 

Vumad

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I’ve already got the dual bilge mod. Never had an issue with electrical going out. My consideration with the scupper was only to get all the water out of my hull after a ride. The bilges never fully empty the Water from the hull. So it’s constantly sitting in there trapped. I leave my skis on the jet dock down in my slip.

If that is the only reason, then you can put in a tube and use a drain plug from a GP1200/B1, etc. You'd also have the option to have a minimal scupper by using duckbills or versiplugs if you want a little extra drainage while riding. Versiplugs screw into the GP1200/B1 plug holes allowing you to switch between a plug and a scupper style drain. The versiplug max is not threaded so for your needs I think the traditional plug is best. YOu will need the GP1200/B1 assembly to screw it into. Some of the hulls use a wood screw and others nuts and bolts. Cutting the hull like I suggested above (my X2 exhaust) and installing the appropriate tube (maybe 1/2" PVC) is a minimal modification. PVC will flex so it might be easier to install an aluminum tube using the method I did if not cutting into the tray.

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Personally I just get the last of the water out with a large sponge. I believe the one I use is specifically called a "grout sponge". Like these.
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Hobbies-Painting-Cleaning-Synthetic/dp/B00TOZO1C0/ref=sxin_1_ac_d_rm?ac_md=0-0-Z3JvdXQgc3Bvbmdl-ac_d_rm&crid=2KF37CVCMFVD2&keywords=grout+sponge&pd_rd_i=B00TOZO1C0&pd_rd_r=710c047b-1d5c-4cbe-9989-ca1ea899611a&pd_rd_w=vlOFS&pd_rd_wg=WRWfV&pf_rd_p=404c4843-2c96-4d0d-a5fe-2b0598693e61&pf_rd_r=R2PMWFKEH7CRQJSBRYW5&qid=1569287421&s=gateway&sprefix=grout+sp,aps,162

Hilarious! Alec please accept my apologies. My advice, which is based on my personal but limited experience, was totally off base! You already have two bilge pumps and want to put a hole in your hull to drain the ski while on jet dock in your slip. I never saw that coming!

I have a small wet/dry shop vac next to where I park the jet ski trailer to vac up the remaining water in the engine compartment. If you already have electricity at the dock (say for a boat lift) maybe you could consider that method if you haven't already.

Vumad, thank you for explaining scuppers.

Personally, I wouldn't put a hole in my hull.

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