Ignition System Interchange (CDI compatability)

smokeysevin

smokeysevin

one man with a couch
Location
Houston
I did some digging this morning to figure out which cdi I want to use on my js550 to 750 swap and have a few questions remaining.

From the part numbers, the sxr800 and sxi750 share the same cdi and voltage regulator, I am assuming the other 750s have the same ignition curves but different connectors on them (for gauges and whatnot) which is why they have different part numbers. Can anyone confirm or disprove the timing on the stock cdi's match? I am looking at putting together an e-box and want to make sure I get good parts.

Along that same line, is there a 750 manual floating around anywhere?

Thanks,

Sean
 
Jr.

Jr.

Standing Tall
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I have sold several Zeeltronics CDI to SXr 800 riders lately. The Zeel will work on 05 and later ignitions.
All have claimed this is the go to ignition upgrade for the Kawi. Especially when you lighten flywheel, or remove magnets and go TL. I have yet to do this upgrade myself, however, I have written several curves for the K800
Setup, with great results. The Zeel carries 2 on board curves, that are changeable on the fly. This would be very useful on your 750 upgrade, as you can program full power on one curve, and have a conservative curve when you need a break! #veedubs who I know has done this upgrade to chime in and give his point of view.


Ski ya, Paul
 
smokeysevin

smokeysevin

one man with a couch
Location
Houston
I don't know if I want to go total loss at this point but since I have to buy parts anyways I was thinking about going with a zeel box. I also considered just throwing on the microsquirt I have and using that. The downside is that I would need a new smart coil while with the stock or zeel coil I could use one of my oe ones. On the flip side, I could run a tps sensor and have a 3d timing map with the microsquirt so tuning could be higher resolution.

If I went total loss, how long would a standard 14 series agm battery last? It would save me from spending money on a regulator and simplify the wiring.

Sean
 
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MTRHEAD

MTRHEAD

Location
MotorCity
You could run zeel with any 93-11 flywheel
Just need to power it with 12v

Battery will last a long time. Don’t really know exactly but I would say 6-10+ of ride time? I know I’ve gone all weekend without a charge
 
smokeysevin

smokeysevin

one man with a couch
Location
Houston
Ballpark is good, that is helpful.

That is good to know about the flywheel, do I need to do anything to the pickups?

Thanks for the help. Which Zeel Version are y'all running?

Sean
 
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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Jr. said:
I have sold several Zeeltronics CDI to SXr 800 riders lately. The Zeel will work on 05 and later ignitions.
All have claimed this is the go to ignition upgrade for the Kawi. Especially when you lighten flywheel, or remove magnets and go TL. I have yet to do this upgrade myself, however, I have written several curves for the K800
Setup, with great results. The Zeel carries 2 on board curves, that are changeable on the fly. This would be very useful on your 750 upgrade, as you can program full power on one curve, and have a conservative curve when you need a break! #veedubs who I know has done this upgrade to chime in and give his point of view.


Ski ya, Paul
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This is the first I've seen that it only works with 05-later ignitions. What stops it from working with the older ignitions?
 
veedubs

veedubs

Location
Dallas, GA
So far I’m loving the Zeeltronic. I’ve got a race curve and stock curve programmed for when I’m not running buoys. It’s VERY adaptable and easy to install and program. It will work on all 750/800 flywheel/pickups charging or total loss. For the money you can’t beat it.


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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Understandable if somebody doesn't want to share their hard earned info, but if people are open to it I'd be interested in what curves people are running in a Kawasaki and why they choose to deviate from the kinda default standard "Wax" curve.
 
veedubs

veedubs

Location
Dallas, GA
Storbeck said:
Understandable if somebody doesn't want to share their hard earned info, but if people are open to it I'd be interested in what curves people are running in a Kawasaki and why they choose to deviate from the kinda default standard "Wax" curve.
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I’m using curves very similar to what Advent offers. I didn’t feel the need to reinvent the wheel when great curves are all ready out there.


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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
I guess i am biased but the wax curve is pretty good. When i wrote it i wanted to make sure it was strong but not push your engine to a point of deto. On my race boats I sneak some more timing into it down low to make it hit the power band harder and Im happy to post that if every one would like. But thats the only difference I make. You could possibly hold the advance a little longer but that means your getting closer to the deto threshold and I would rather not do that. On a small bore like a 550 you can run higher advance as the heat travel to the cylinder wall is shorter so the piston can disperse the heat sooner. However with testing and this involves using a data logger the gains are not there. you do get a little more throttle snap by increasing the advance down low like i suggested before but thats about it. If i post mu curve up I want people to know thats its not associated with zeeltronic in anyway and if you do damage deto to your ski then its on you. I have never had an issue and I am cranking 200psi but just giving a disclaimer. I hold this curve wide open every where
 
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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Thanks Wax. I couldn't think of any reason why a Kawasaki would want a different curve than a Yamaha at a similar state of tune. My understanding is that the oem Kawi curves use very low advance, figured there might be something I hadn't thought of.

Part of why I kinda was trying to ask "why" as much as "what".
 
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claudios silva

Location
uruguay
hello my friend, can you sen me your curve from sxr800, from zelltronic.

thanks




waxhead said:
I guess i am biased but the wax curve is pretty good. When i wrote it i wanted to make sure it was strong but not push your engine to a point of deto. On my race boats I sneak some more timing into it down low to make it hit the power band harder and Im happy to post that if every one would like. But thats the only difference I make. You could possibly hold the advance a little longer but that means your getting closer to the deto threshold and I would rather not do that. On a small bore like a 550 you can run higher advance as the heat travel to the cylinder wall is shorter so the piston can disperse the heat sooner. However with testing and this involves using a data logger the gains are not there. you do get a little more throttle snap by increasing the advance down low like i suggested before but thats about it. If i post mu curve up I want people to know thats its not associated with zeeltronic in anyway and if you do damage deto to your ski then its on you. I have never had an issue and I am cranking 200psi but just giving a disclaimer. I hold this curve wide open every where
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Quinc

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
Location
California
claudios silva said:
hello my friend, can you sen me your curve from sxr800, from zelltronic.

thanks
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Check here:
www.waxracingproducts.com

Zeeltronic Curves

If you clink on the link here you will be able to download the curves for your ski and cdi. If you have a curve you want uploaded then contact us through the contact page and we ill look to put it up here Note: these curves are free for personal use. not for commercial use. Curve Type...
www.waxracingproducts.com
 
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claudios silva

Location
uruguay
Quinc said:
Chequea aquí:
www.waxracingproducts.com

Zeeltronic Curves

If you clink on the link here you will be able to download the curves for your ski and cdi. If you have a curve you want uploaded then contact us through the contact page and we ill look to put it up here Note: these curves are free for personal use. not for commercial use. Curve Type...
www.waxracingproducts.com
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tthanks. i want to prove them
 
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