Super Jet I'm confused with my waterbox..

Roseand

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So my ski had been running pretty much perfectly for the 4 gallons of oil I've went through this season after a fresh rebuild, up until I fried my stator due to a stupid mistake.
The first ride out this season, my pipe and waterbox weren't getting much water at all due to lack of back pressure from short hoses and the fact that I put the restrictor before my fcv. This caused my chamber to melt my shop vac air intake tubes, along with the cooling line right off of my stinger. I'm pretty sure it made my waterbox heat up like crazy too due to the fact the contact cement on it turned dark brown and looks like hell, plus the metal outlet looks like it melted the loom I put on my throttle cable, and it melted the cable sheath in one spot.
Fast forward to second ride- restrictor put in proper position. Put the ski in the water on the trail and tuned my cold fusion pissers until I got enough flow going into all circuits, and ended up putting a hose clamp on both lines coming out of the head to tune the pressure as well. Got the cooling dialed in perfect. Chamber still runs a little cool to be on the safe side, but everything is at a good temp and has been for the last 30+ hours and I haven't touched anything.
So today, I pull my tank to access my flywheel and stator but I was surprised when I looked at my waterbox. There's a bunch of cracks in it and some of them are very bad and definitely fractured the structure. However I dont think there's an exhaust leak because my ski runs perfect, but I can flex the smc when I push hard on it. Cracks run up to the glue seam too. Plus it's all black and oily on the outside which seems weird if it's all sealed. If I had an exhaust leak somewhere my ski would run like poop.
I have never heard a backfire before and I know it had been over heated once, but I don't really monitor my waterbox temp at all since everything else is at a perfect temp, but my flow control valve is turned in quite a bit and I have a 3mm restrictor right in front of it. I feel like more would be melted and messed up if my waterbox was getting too hot? I don't know if heat is why it's cracked. I pound the hell out of my ski so I wonder if it's from impacts? My hoses are kinda ballooned where they clamp on but isn't that normal?
And my dual cooling routing is what zack at php recommended so it's right..
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Thanks for the insight ahead of time!
 
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Your water box probably got at least as hot as the chamber if not hotter so I'am sure that didn't help the box. When was the last time you inspected the water box like you are now? how old is this damage in other words ? Could some of it have been pre-existing from its age?
I saw a post a few weeks back where a guy wanted to repair a square nose water box and re-class it, I think it was all cracked too if I remember right
 

Roseand

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Had my waterbox out before the season started and I glassed a spot that was rubbed through..It's new damage for sure
 

Roseand

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I should mention there was black turf underneath the box so that's probs the reason for it being super black. But it was awfully grimy.
 
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It's like 20 year old fiberglass composite that we overheated the piss out of, might still be overhearing it with that restricter & FC adjustment, I'd kinda expect it to start failing and loss it's structural strength.

All that goo is the oily exhaust oil slowly seeping out.

I'd give the next box more water and cool it, maybe get some of that temp tap and monitored it's temp if you want to run it so dry

Edit: I was thinking to do a restrictor too my water box but didn't on advise from a local builder, he said it's not good on longer rides, if something gets in it and it over heats the box, stuff gets damaged and I'd get stranded

Sorry wasn't trying to be a smart az @ Roseand
 
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"cold fusion pissers until I got enough flow going into all circuits, and ended up putting a hose clamp on both lines coming out of the head to tune the pressure as well."

CF adjustable pissers so why the hose clamps, to further restrict ? My CF adjustables were worthless. They were just expensive 45 degree standard pissers.
 

Roseand

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"cold fusion pissers until I got enough flow going into all circuits, and ended up putting a hose clamp on both lines coming out of the head to tune the pressure as well."

CF adjustable pissers so why the hose clamps, to further restrict ? My CF adjustables were worthless. They were just expensive 45 degree standard pissers.
Yep, I had to close them all the way and then more with hose clamps. I'm not the only one whose had to close the adjuster screw all the way.
 

Roseand

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It's like 20 year old fiberglass composite that we overheated the piss out of, might still be overhearing it with that restricter & FC adjustment, I'd kinda expect it to start failing and loss it's structural strength.

All that goo is the oily exhaust oil slowly seeping out.

I'd give the next box more water and cool it, maybe get some of that temp tap and monitored it's temp if you want to run it so dry

Edit: I was thinking to do a restrictor too my water box but didn't on advise from a local builder, he said it's not good on longer rides, if something gets in it and it over heats the box, stuff gets damaged and I'd get stranded

Sorry wasn't trying to be a smart az @ Roseand
Nah dude it's cool! Good advice fosho. I usually ride for more than 2 hours straight at a time, sometimes 4+ with 10+ gallons of gas..So I might need to give it some more water. My cooling is setup how Zack recommended it, but at the same time it's not due to the fact that I put my waterline tees like 6 inches from one head outlet, and likea foot from the other outlet, and then theres like a foot or less of hose from my tees to a pisser. With that configuration there's not much pressure entering the tee so I had to severely restrict my pissers. If I would have used a long length of hose going to each pisser(having pissers towards the front of the ski), i don't think i'd have to restrict my pissers like they are now. That's what Zack thought I was gonna do but I wanted them near my tray i guess! If I put them up front I should be able to adjust the flow better in terms of waterbox heat, etc.
I'm broke and start college in a little over 2 weeks so I might try and just wrap the hell out of my box with the glass and epoxy I have left and throw it together and ride till the seasons over.
And I thought all I was going to be doing was replacing a stator..haha. It never ends!
 

Roseand

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Just sprayed it down with some carb cleaner to get a better look at the crack and I also found some other stuff. It looked like my exhaust hose was leaking some grime but I thought no way, since my ski's been running so good. Looked a little closer and one of the rivets is loose and was seeping quite a bit oily exhaust out of it. There are quite a few rivets that are loose and not sealing that leak a little bit. I guess not enough to notice an exhaust leak? But wierd. This waterbox is a POS now lol.
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Roseand

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Why would I lie about how much oil I used? I bought 4 gallons of klotz ski craft and it's all gone.. I'm out of oil right now but it doesn't matter cuz my ski's down.
 
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