Surfriding Impeller for stock pump?

wydopen

onthepipe
Looking for some advice on impeller selection for the stock pump.

If anyone remembers my build thread from 2years ago I built an fx1 for my son. The hull was in the process of a 144 swap when I got it, but against my better judgment I decided to put the stock pump back in it since I didn’t want to buy another sj pump setup and I had everything for the stock one and it was less work. At the time he was 9 and like 55lbs. We got busy, had another kid and were racing moto and hadn’t ridden for over a year and a half.

Fast forward to now and we have been riding again, he didn’t miss a beat and now that he’s a little bigger and stronger he’s ripping pretty hard. I put him on my ski which he didn’t like before and he was riding it way better than his just because of the extra horsepower and hookup.

His ski isn’t terrible once it’s going but it cavitates pretty bad in the whitewater and it just doesn’t have that instant hookup to unweight the ski when you need to. I can ride it fairly well but you are pretty limited on what you can do without the hookup.

Current setup is: 62t/62t, stock pipe, r&d intake grate and a solas 17/23 cutback 2mm

@Sparkplug is nice enough to hook me up with a protec pipe that I can make work for it so that will help a little with the power department.

I know not allot of people run the stock pump but for those that have does anyone think I can see an improvement with a different impeller? My stock pump fx1 experience is riding the one I had back in the day once before stealing the motor and bpipe out of it and giving away the hull. I will eventually do a kawi pump swap most likely but if I can get it working better with an impeller I will try that in the mean time.

Thanks for help.
 
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dfw
The only way the small pump can work better is by lowering the pitch and turning a lot more rpm. A Kawasaki 650 pump with a 900zxi shaft will work much better with any 650-760 engine.
 

bird

walking on water
Site Supporter
You could start by checking the pump you have....

Riding in whitewater surf, you've been sucking up excessive sand that wears on your ring and impeller. What's the gap in there!?!?!?

Why do the swap? Just get a SuperJet already.
 

wydopen

onthepipe
The only way the small pump can work better is by lowering the pitch and turning a lot more rpm. A Kawasaki 650 pump with a 900zxi shaft will work much better with any 650-760 engine.
What’s considered a low pitch for the stock pump? If I remember someone who would know said it was too low when I built it.
 

wydopen

onthepipe
You could start by checking the pump you have....

Riding in whitewater surf, you've been sucking up excessive sand that wears on your ring and impeller. What's the gap in there!?!?!?

Why do the swap? Just get a SuperJet already.
Because he’s 4’3” and 70lbs and a smaller ski is easier for him to man handle. The pump and prop are good.
 
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dfw
The stock FX1 pump doesn’t match the torque rpm range of Yamaha 650-760 engines. It basically is a 440 pump. It would work better with a 17 degree impeller spinning over 8000 rpm.
 
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dfw
Any steeply pitched impeller will boil water at low inlet pressures. They can work okay on a heavy V-bottom sitdown once it gets moving. They will barely work on a standup at top speed. Some of the local riders were trying to run FX1s with piped 760s. They would all just redline at slow speeds and barely get a bite at higher speeds no matter what impeller was used.
 

wydopen

onthepipe
If anyone has a crusty 650 pump laying around let me know. I've been storing my friends x2 for the last 15years that hasn't been on the water since the 90's but I probably shouldn't rob the pump out of it..
 

yamanube

This Is The Way
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Mandalor
Did you just grind the pump tunnel to fit or graft in a sj pump tunnel? SJ intake grate?
Just opened the pump shoe up as much as I could, FX1 grate and shaft.

 
I’m really happy with my 144 pump swap. I grafted in a superjet tunnel I purchased from @tom21. Running the solas 144mag with a 9/15 hoooker prop, and pre08 sj driveshaft.

Waterdawg (the guy that built the f1 pro). Cut his fx1 to pieces after riding in the surf and having problems due to lack of hookup/cavitation. He widened the bond rail, and put the larger sj tunnel in and set it up to run the pre08 sj driveshaft.

Before my swap I was running an fx1 pipe, 165 psi milled head, msd, Jd intake, and a skat trak 20/27 prop with a kicker. Wet wolf pump cone.

Lots said my prop was too steep but I definitely like it bet than the stock and the solas by a long shot. Had great bottom end and top speed.

Build thread below

 
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