Is it bad to call someone out for selling something you know is trash.

SteveC

SteveC

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West MI
Personally, this is EXACTLY the type of crowd-sourced awareness I'd like to receive (and am happy to have anyone provide on stuff I sell, because I've got nothing to hide), but I think it's technically viewed as dumping on a thread here. It's a shame, honestly, because someone getting burned by a seller on the X just makes that someone skeptical of everyone else on the X.

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tipafew

tipafew

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Grand Rapids, MI
Such a fine line.......If someone is knowingly misrepresenting something I would think it would be totally fair to call them out. If it's something that at one point had damage but was correctly repaired then I'm not so sure.
 
tipafew

tipafew

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Grand Rapids, MI
SteveC said:
Personally, this is EXACTLY the type of crowd-sourced awareness I'd like to receive (and am happy to have anyone provide on stuff I sell, because I've got nothing to hide), but I think it's technically viewed as dumping on a thread here. It's a shame, honestly, because getting burned by someone on the X just makes that someone skeptical of everyone else on the X.
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Exactly. At what point is it post dumping and at what point is it looking our for our brothers on the X.
I'm gonna get all Biblical here.........First you are supposed to confront your brother one on one if they sin........ Maybe the right thing to do in that situation is to send a message to the seller asking them to update their post/ad to correctly represent the item condition.
 
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ridetrp

Location
nj
tipafew said:
Such a fine line.......If someone is knowingly misrepresenting something I would think it would be totally fair to call them out. If it's something that at one point had damage but was correctly repaired then I'm not so sure.
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Nah thats even worse. So let me beat the poop out of a ski,trash the bottom,destroy it,repair it and not disclose it? No way.

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mikidymac

mikidymac

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California
I think it would be in the way you approach it and give the facts.
If you just go on the for sale thread and say it is a piece of crap and has been trashed then yes, that would be thread dumping.
Now, if you say something like, "I remember that ski had some repairs, how were they done?". That wouldn't be thread dumping. I guess what I am saying is that we should be looking out for each other and encouraging people to be honest if we have additional information and not just be a jerk about it.

I know there have been a few newer superjets listed that claim to be all stock and an original ski but you could see it had a 61X/61X in it. Instead of being a jerk I simply asked what happened to the original 62T/61X? They replied it was swapped for a different build. Just is a nice nudge for someone that doesn't know what to look for.
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
tipafew said:
Such a fine line.......If someone is knowingly misrepresenting something I would think it would be totally fair to call them out. If it's something that at one point had damage but was correctly repaired then I'm not so sure.
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The problem is, Who is to say the information you are passing along "Is Factual" That is the double edged sword. You could have it in for Mr Smith and decide to say "His hull is a piece of garbage or that Trim System is all kind of jacked up." You have a good reputation here so I would be inclined to believe you. Only to find out that there was actually nothing wrong with said Hull or Part and I passed up on a good deal, Or I was the one selling and you tanked my Sale.............. And I knew my Hull was in perfect shape. But there is no way to defend myself at this point. The only format we have that is fair is the Neg. Feedback. Each party gets to post their comments or version.........
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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tipafew said:
Exactly. At what point is it post dumping and at what point is it looking our for our brothers on the X.
I'm gonna get all Biblical here.........First you are supposed to confront your brother one on one if they sin........ Maybe the right thing to do in that situation is to send a message to the seller asking them to update their post/ad to correctly represent the item condition.
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Ding Ding Ding. Contact Seller Privately or Buyer and voice your concerns. But do so privately..........
 
Christian_83

Christian_83

Xscream
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Denmark
Well, my first answer would be yes. But like other people stated, there is diffrent aspects to it.
But the biggest problem in the freestyle scene, is people will almost NEVER go "public/online" when their engine, hull or other big dollar parts has errors.
Often this is kept to themself or made some kind of settlement with seller/manuafactor - and add to this the sponsored riders that often will not give a truly honest review of the parts.
I think its very very few - if any manufactors i know of, that havent had parts fail.
And i also bought mine share of second hand parts or hull that didnt was as nice as described.
Ive also bought high dollar new parts, with flaws from brand new :/
Im trying to disclose anything and take pics how a potentioel buyer wants - when im selling stuff.

But yes, alot of people will F00K you over selling jetski and parts :(
 
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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Seems like private would be worse. If you post something out in the open on somebody's for sale thread, they can at least address it.

"hey I sold that hull to him last year and it had a huge crack at the intake grate mount that he's not showing in the picture"

then the guy can respond "I had it fixed by the greatest composites guy ever of all times here is a picture of the repair"

vs if you just pm a guy that showed interest in the hull, then the seller has no way to respond, although in this case I guess at least the buyer could go ahead and ask for a picture of the intake area to see if there is a giant crack.

I can certainly understand the dilemma from the perspective of the moderators though, hard to know who is trying to be helpful and who is stirring poop. At least there is the negative feedback as an incentive to not be shady.
 
kevbo

kevbo

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dfw
ridetrp said:
Been seeing some stuff pop up forsale that I personally know is trash,been cracked,repaired and re painted etc. Is it bad to call them out on there bullish.

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Everyone needs to understand that our equipment is operated near its limit and in extreme conditions. The life of any used part is likely to be "used up". Fortunately, corrosion, chaffing, and cracks are easy to see and a very good indicator of its owners attitude toward care and maintenance. If you know of a particular problem then call it a commonly known problem in that area and let the buyer find it.
 
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Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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Storbeck said:
Seems like private would be worse. If you post something out in the open on somebody's for sale thread, they can at least address it.

"hey I sold that hull to him last year and it had a huge crack at the intake grate mount that he's not showing in the picture"

then the guy can respond "I had it fixed by the greatest composites guy ever of all times here is a picture of the repair"

vs if you just pm a guy that showed interest in the hull, then the seller has no way to respond, although in this case I guess at least the buyer could go ahead and ask for a picture of the intake area to see if there is a giant crack.

I can certainly understand the dilemma from the perspective of the moderators though, hard to know who is trying to be helpful and who is stirring poop. At least there is the negative feedback as an incentive to not be shady.
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January will be 15 years we have had this site.... There is not a dilemma. We came up with the Neg and Positive Feedback through some very rough Trial and Error. Some that literally came with some emotional expense. Loss of Friendships............
 
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ridetrp

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nj
Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. It now makes sense why some of these guys never show up to jet ski events... it just sucks to see something sold to the public when the second owner contacts you asking the best way to repair it,followed up with pictures and doesn't list it in the forsale ad.

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smoofers

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MarkWalker said:
I have said it before. In this small community, you are about 1 degree away from knowing just about everybody. Word travels like lightning throughout forums and social media. Why take the chance and sell trashed parts and ruin your name?
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Some just flat out don't care? There's also some that make a living off of parting out jet skis... and it seems like a large portion of them (not all) are just terrible blood sucking creatures.
 
Pro-pulsion

Pro-pulsion

Location
Ontario, Canada
I think this proper approach method should also apply to purchase vs. sales tactics too. I always go with my gut feeling when doing a potential purchase with someone I am not familiar with. Case in point, I have a want ad posted in a few places for a stock 96 RN rideplate. I've had 2 different individuals from another site respond wanting $100-$125 for a used plate. They can be bought new for $147 right now with no stress fracturing possibilities compared to a used one. If their price for a 20+ year old, highly common, widely available part is almost that of new, that's a red flag. I flat out refused to pay more than 40% of that asking price and without any friction they agreed too easily...another red flag. Then both of them wanted payment in a gift card setup in their name, MAJOR RED FLAG, neither would accept paypal unless it was in the form of family or friend transfer even after I said I would cover paypal fees, another big red flag. One gave excuses saying they have had problems with paypal and can only accept family or friends level payments, it's no different at all in how you get the payment, only in the terms of which format the payment is sent. One takes all liability off the seller to come good for their word in even selling anything at all, the other insures your purchase or money back at a minimal fee. I don't need to name names, it's the practice that was instantly seen as shady and I politely declined any further interactions with them. Sometimes the owness needs to be on us too to recognize if it's just a bad deal all around :)
 
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