is this what the inside of the RAD flywheel is supposed to look like?

[Scorn800]

Sure. A hall effect sensor also puts out a signal roughly 0-1VAC and has two wires.

The SXR uses a digital DC-CDI (see specs on Kawi's website if you don't believe me).
As such, it wouldn't use the older pulser coil setup.

If you still don't believe me, check out the parts microfiche, section "Generator", and look at the small rectangular box coming off the stator leads.
That is the Hall effect sensor.
The coils on the stator itself are lighting and charging coils.
You will find identical setups on the Yamaha ignitions (760/800/1200/1300)

You're wrong on the SX-R using a pulser coil. Not trying to give you a hard time, please don't misunderstand me.
Btw, this applies to all years of the SX-R.


And if you want another angle to look at it, if it were indeed a pulser coil setup, the ignition would cease to work once you knock all the magnets (sans lobe) off the flywheel.

Wrong
03 sxr had pulse coils on the stator

 

[Matt_E]

According to the 2003 Microfiche, the 2003 Stator (different pn# than the 2008 stator) also had a separate sensor.

Have a look at the link. Is what's depicted there wrong?

Linky: http://216.37.204.203/Kawasaki_OEM/KawasakiPWC.asp?Type=13&A=30&B=17

 

[Scorn800]

I own both

 

[Matt_E]

So is the small "boxy" sensor (mounted onto the flywheel cover) on both stators, or not?

 

[Scorn800]

So is the small "boxy" sensor (mounted onto the flywheel cover) on both stators, or not?

You mean the pick up trigger coil?
Yes they both have it

 

[Matt_E]

Yes, that's what I am talking about.

What makes you think the 03 had a pulser coil on the stator? (Is it because the ski would not run when the magnets were removed?)

 

[Scorn800]

No, the pulse/charge coil are on the inside of stator.
O4 and up have 2 empty posts (the charge coils) on stator

 

[Big Kahuna]

Damn, I must be getting old. One or Two years ago I would have been in the middle of this one.......... Have fun.....

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

good one, H.

 

[Matt_E]

No, the pulse/charge coil are on the inside of stator.
O4 and up have 2 empty posts (the charge coils) on stator

The missing coils on the +04 ignitions are the charge coils - because Kawi went from AC to DC CDI.
In an AC-CDI, they provide the AC current to charge up the ignition.
So the move from AC to DC CDI eliminated the need for charging coils.
Pulser coil and charger coil are not the same coil. (I don't know if that's what you were saying)

Pulser - sends "fire signal" in older analog ignitions
Charger - provides AC current for CDI
Lighting - provides charging current to battery.

The small sensor sends the "fire" signal to the CDI. And that's present on both older and newer ignitions.
Then the SXR ignition never had pulser coils. It has the separate Hall Effect sensor.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

John, I really don't think those are pulser coils, but rather charging coils.
Here's my reasoning:

From 03 to 04, the ignitions went from AC-CDI do DC-CDI, correct?
That move would eliminate the need for charging coils. In an AC-CDI, they provide the AC current to charge up the ignition.
(Lighting coils charge the battery)
The small sensor actually sends the "fire" signal to the CDI. And that's present on both older and newer ignitions.

:banghead:

 

[Scorn800]

So those are the charge coils that were eliminated - because Kawi went from AC to DC CDI.

That move would eliminate the need for charging coils. In an AC-CDI, they provide the AC current to charge up the ignition.

The small sensor actually sends the "fire" signal to the CDI. And that's present on both older and newer ignitions. You mean pick up trigger?
Pulser coil and charger coil are not the same coil. Yes, I know they are differentPulser - sends "fire signal" in older analog ignitions
Charger - provides AC current for CDI
Lighting - provides charging current to battery.

Then the SXR ignition never had pulser coils. It has the separate Hall Effect sensor.

WAD:headbang:

 

[Scorn800]

The magnets on a kawi wheel are on the inside and lobe on outside you know that right?

 

[Matt_E]

GOUT!!! :headbang:

Yes, I mean the pick up trigger.
It's present on 03-present SXR ignitions - right?

That means there is absolutely no need for a pulser coil to begin with. Agree?

The magnets on a kawi wheel are on the inside and lobe on outside you know that right?

Considering that the pickup trigger sits near the outside perimeter of the flywheel, I should hope so! :biggthumpup:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

GOUT!!! :headbang:

Yes, I mean the pick up trigger.
It's present on 03-present SXR ignitions - right?

That means there is absolutely no need for a pulser coil to begin with. Agree?



I would assume so, considering that the pickup trigger sits near the outside perimeter of the flywheel. :biggthumpup:

SPAME!!!

so back to my original question...... isn't the stock lanyard systems on the sxrs, regardless of year model, on a relay setup?

 

[Scorn800]

GOUT!!! :headbang:

Yes, I mean the pick up trigger.
It's present on 03-present SXR ignitions - right?

That means there is absolutely no need for a pulser coil to begin with. Agree?



I would assume so, considering that the pickup trigger sits near the outside perimeter of the flywheel. :biggthumpup:

yes

 

[Scorn800]

Wow, I just got like 30 posts today. :arms:I should debate more. Maybe in 5 years I'll have as many posts as matt e:Banane57:

 

[Scorn800]

oh and GREEN RULES:smoker:

 

[Matt_E]

Wow, I just got like 30 posts today. :arms:I should debate more. Maybe in 5 years I'll have as many posts as matt e:Banane57:

If you didn't get so many of your posts deleted, you'd be past me already. :biggrin:



PS: Terry, your take on this Hall Effect on the SXR debate? :biggthumpup:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

oh and GREEN RULES:smoker:

actually blue is made more durable, but green runs a really close 2nd.:shrug: