Lamey Cylinders **NO MORE**

[IKSTEJ]

Cast cylinders are like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get
including port locations, making it more tedious to port match.

Like waxhead said cnc allows you to practically nail your port specs without all of the ciphering

Hey Pat, what kind of inconsistancies where you finding???

 

[dbrutherford]

Someone needs to make a better exhaust manifold and/or head pipe to better clear power valves. I know that takes time and money but what else is holdiong it back? Will it cause the chamber/head pipe to hit the hull in some way?

 

[WB800BLASTER]

Not true on the CASTING we do tons of it. There are different levels. Some are geared to be machined after casting and others are made spot on.

Tooling is the key and so is the foundry doing the castings.

 

[freestylegeek]

Not true on the CASTING we do tons of it. There are different levels. Some are geared to be machined after casting and others are made spot on.

Tooling is the key and so is the foundry doing the castings.

I wonder if lost foam casting was pursued at all? I would think consistancy would be pretty good with that method.

 

[waterfreak]

Well, I got 2 of those cylinders on order. The problem before was that Lamey was sub-contracting another companie for the castings and ,of course, never delivered on time. Now, all will be done in house with a quick turnaround and consistency. there will also have two diffrent versions: standard 85mm , 86mm bore cylinders and the 89mm+ bore cylinders that will come with a custom head.
Personally, I am looking forward to this progress. Also looking forward towards that new 12mm stroker crank !!!

 

[WaveDemon]

Well, I got 2 of those cylinders on order. The problem before was that Lamey was sub-contracting another companie for the castings and ,of course, never delivered on time. Now, all will be done in house with a quick turnaround and consistency. there will also have two diffrent versions: standard 85mm , 86mm bore cylinders and the 89mm+ bore cylinders that will come with a custom head.
Personally, I am looking forward to this progress. Also looking forward towards that new 12mm stroker crank !!!

Now that makes sense! he's binging the work in house to be done on equipment he either owns or is familiar with.

Casting is cheaper and faster. I don't ever see chevy, ford, or chrysler pumping out billet engine blocks.

 

[IKSTEJ]

Well, I got 2 of those cylinders on order. The problem before was that Lamey was sub-contracting another companie for the castings and ,of course, never delivered on time. Now, all will be done in house with a quick turnaround and consistency. there will also have two diffrent versions: standard 85mm , 86mm bore cylinders and the 89mm+ bore cylinders that will come with a custom head.
Personally, I am looking forward to this progress. Also looking forward towards that new 12mm stroker crank !!!

I'm pretty sure the smaller cylinder is a 7 port cylinder :burnout:

 

[#ZERO]

Well, I got 2 of those cylinders on order. The problem before was that Lamey was sub-contracting another companie for the castings and ,of course, never delivered on time. Now, all will be done in house with a quick turnaround and consistency. there will also have two diffrent versions: standard 85mm , 86mm bore cylinders and the 89mm+ bore cylinders that will come with a custom head.
Personally, I am looking forward to this progress. Also looking forward towards that new 12mm stroker crank !!!

Do you have any more specs on the new cylinders?

I'd like to know what heights they're making them.

 

[thegoldenboy]

Casting is cheaper and faster. I don't ever see chevy, ford, or chrysler pumping out billet engine blocks.

Of course they won't. But were talking about a niche market, and an even narrower market for the high perf motors. Its about time a billet cylinder was avaliable from the most popular cylinder brand.

Billet is the new way of tech, regardless if something works well or not you need to advance the tech of the product to stay current with the times.

dont't get me wrong I'd buy a Lamey cast in a minute. NorcalEx's motor for 2600 was a steal.

Do we know what the price difference is yet?

 

[norcal ex]

NorcalEx's motor for 2600 was a steal.

Its still available :barrel:

 

[IKSTEJ]

Do you have any more specs on the new cylinders?

I'd like to know what heights they're making them.

I'm pretty sure its 5.25" overall........
good enough for a 14mm crank :thinkerg:

 

[snowxr]

my understanding is that casting is cheaper to do, cheaper for materials, and faster. billet is for bling.

The tooling is cheaper to cast a cylinder, BUT it's more difficult to change your design after your casting die is made. You would have to start over with a new casting die in most cases.

The CNC allows you to make running changes AND experiment with new designs. In addition to cylinders, he could start making crank cases, intake manifolds, etc. Using the CNC is a smart move in my oppinion.

Kurt

 

[waterfreak]

Of course they won't. But were talking about a niche market, and an even narrower market for the high perf motors. Its about time a billet cylinder was avaliable from the most popular cylinder brand.

Billet is the new way of tech, regardless if something works well or not you need to advance the tech of the product to stay current with the times.

dont't get me wrong I'd buy a Lamey cast in a minute. NorcalEx's motor for 2600 was a steal.

Do we know what the price difference is yet?

all cylinders are $200 more in price!:Banane26:

I will get some pics as soon as they arrive to my shopresent:

 

[dawson]

any more news on the new cylinders

 

[SUPERTUNE]

Just finished 2) 1000cc engines, Cylinder was 14 lbs ready to bolt on with nothing but finished sleeves, a little overkill...Waiting for new hull to get back from paint shop to install and test.

 

[waxhead]

Did the new cylinder have 7 transfer ports or %
i would like to see the new cylidners and there tansfer port arrangement

 

[wsuwrhr]

Brian here,

New member checking in.

Here is some useless info and background on me.

I am the head machinist and programmer for DASA/Dan Lamey/Racer's Edge.

Kinda complicated, but I also own SB Products, I make custom machined parts.

I have known Dan for 20 years or more, I have been working at his shop since '03.

I was directed over here to help out and answer any questions, initially about the transition to the billet cylinder, so I will go through the posts and do my best to answer them.

Brian

FYI There will be no more CAST body style Lamey Cylinders available as of today. The new ones will all be machined billet aluminum and more money.:sadwavey:

I do not think the new ones will be as good. Extra heat and the wings that feed the fuel to the ports will be straight and not angled like the cast ones.

If you got them hold on to them as they will fetch a premium in my opinion.

So who will be the first to test the new one??? :ugh:

Pat

 

[wsuwrhr]

Pat,

Thanks for the invite.



I have to ask, what do you mean, extra heat and "straight and not angled"?

Brian

FYI There will be no more CAST body style Lamey Cylinders available as of today. The new ones will all be machined billet aluminum and more money.:sadwavey:

I do not think the new ones will be as good. Extra heat and the wings that feed the fuel to the ports will be straight and not angled like the cast ones.

If you got them hold on to them as they will fetch a premium in my opinion.

So who will be the first to test the new one??? :ugh:

Pat

 

[wsuwrhr]

The small bore billet sleeve is identical to the cast cylinder sleeve.

The reason for the switch is castings have ALWAYS been full of problems from start to finish. As of late the problems just got exponentially worse.

I am sure you are aware we have always had the castings made for us.

Like it was already posted, with castings "You never know what you are going to get".

For example, out of the 100 castings we have made, 10-20 cylinders never even see the machine due to porosity and other flaws. Stock stroke and stroker cylinders. Scrap.

Due to core shift, 5-10 of them the transfers are too low. Scrap

Partway through machining, others have porosity or won't "clean-up", those are scrap.

So out of 100 cylinders we might get 65-75 good parts that are up to Dan's standards.

After all that, cast material is notoriously hard on tooling.

So to be completely honest, the cast cylinder coreboxes had reached the end of its cycle and have to be re-done regardless, so it is there, but not really good to go anymore.

I pushed hard for the end of the cast era and the beginning of the new billet Lamey.

I promise you it will be better and make more power.

Brian

The new ones are 5 port as well at the moment

I wouldnt worry about the angled transfer port
most serious high hp engines i know of that are being built these days have the cases opened right up and it will not effect it

It makes me wonder why they did it however the casting was already there and good to go , why go to the work of changing it

 

[ATS_Aaron]

Thanks for coming here to answer questions.

I think my first question is "how many dollars?" I am sure the answer varies depending on questions I don't even know to ask...;-)

Aaron